Mary BELL/ Mary HAND

[clancam37]

Mary HAND migrated with her Family from Carrickmoss, Ireland in 1854 to Tasmania.
The Parents and Sons moved to Warrnambool, Victoria and lived there for many, many years.
One Daughter Mary HAND born 1836 stayed in Tasmania.
Did she marry someone named BELL or LIDDINGTON?
Is it possible Mary BELL who died at New Norfolk, Tasmania in 1905 the same person
as Mary HAND?
clancam37

[majm]

Mary HAND migrated with her Family from Carrickmoss, Ireland in 1854 to Tasmania.
The Parents and Sons moved to Warrnambool, Victoria and lived there for many, many years.
One Daughter Mary HAND born 1836 stayed in Tasmania.
Did she marry someone named BELL or LIDDINGTON?
Is it possible Mary BELL who died at New Norfolk, Tasmania in 1905 the same person
as Mary HAND?
clancam37

Some questions if I may ...

  Do you already have the details of the 1905 death of Mary BELL?   Cemetery, funeral and/or death notice,  day/month,  etc?

  What religion for Mary's parents and brothers?

  What else do you already know about Mary?

JM

[majm]

https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD285-1-1107

Mary HAND, admitted to asylum in 1878 from Hobart Gaol.  Died June 1905 at New Norfolk  Hospital.

Likely you already have the following re Thomas Liddington Senior and Mary Hand.
The Mercury 9 May 1878, Police Court https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8962994

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47786239  Launceston Examiner 16 May 1878
At the Supreme Court ... Mary Hand, charged with wounding with intent to murder ... was acquitted on the ground of insanity ... detained in gaol during her Majesty's pleasure.

JM   

[majm]

Likely you were aware of the following, but I post to save others duplicating some research

Births registered Sorell that may be of interest, parents listed as Mary Bell and Thomas Liddington.

Mary LIDDINGTON born 29 November 1871,  RGD33/1/49 no 1635
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/931299   
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-49p447j2k


William LIDDINGTON bor  11 November 1873, RGD33/1/51 no 1688
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/942678
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-51p145j2k


Joseph LIDDINGTON born 30 October 1875 RGD33/1/53 no 1699
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/947320
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-53p652j2k

See also https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Tasmania_Births,_Marriages,_and_Deaths

I leave it to others to post on the 1860s births for Mary Bell Liddington's children. ....
 

JM

[matthewj64]

https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD285-1-1107

Mary HAND, admitted to asylum in 1878 from Hobart Gaol.  Died June 1905 at New Norfolk  Hospital.

Likely you already have the following re Thomas Liddington Senior and Mary Hand.
The Mercury 9 May 1878, Police Court https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8962994

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47786239  Launceston Examiner 16 May 1878
At the Supreme Court ... Mary Hand, charged with wounding with intent to murder ... was acquitted on the ground of insanity ... detained in gaol during her Majesty's pleasure.

JM

Mary Hand, aged 50, free to colony on the Moolton
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON42-1-1$init=CON42-1-1P99

M

[clancam37]

Hi MAJM,
Thanks for your replies. Much appreciated.
Yes I have a large amount of information re Mary HAND , very little re Mary BELL.
Have the Births you listed in the 1870s.
Cannot find a birth for Thomas LIDDINGTON.  Was his Mother Mary Bell or Mary Hand?
Your comment " Leave it to others to comment on Mary Bell Liddington's 1860 s children" would be very useful.
Can you please help further.
Going around in circles here.
Kind regards
clancam37

Likely you were aware of the following, but I post to save others duplicating some research

Births registered Sorell that may be of interest, parents listed as Mary Bell and Thomas Liddington.

Mary LIDDINGTON born 29 November 1871,  RGD33/1/49 no 1635
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/931299   
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-49p447j2k


William LIDDINGTON bor  11 November 1873, RGD33/1/51 no 1688
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/942678
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-51p145j2k


Joseph LIDDINGTON born 30 October 1875 RGD33/1/53 no 1699
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/947320
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-53p652j2k

See also https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Tasmania_Births,_Marriages,_and_Deaths

I leave it to others to post on the 1860s births for Mary Bell Liddington's children. ....
 

JM

[matthewj64]

Here Joseph Liddington (son?) has the aliases Hand and Falk
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article151781112

M

[majm]

Clan, 

in your opening post your quest has Mary BELL dying 1905, New Norfolk.   

At reply #1,  I asked about that death,
 ....

JM 

Mary HAND migrated with her Family from Carrickmoss, Ireland in 1854 to Tasmania.
The Parents and Sons moved to Warrnambool, Victoria and lived there for many, many years.
One Daughter Mary HAND born 1836 stayed in Tasmania.
Did she marry someone named BELL or LIDDINGTON?
Is it possible Mary BELL who died at New Norfolk, Tasmania in 1905 the same person
as Mary HAND?
clancam37

Some questions if I may ...

  Do you already have the details of the 1905 death of Mary BELL?   Cemetery, funeral and/or death notice,  day/month,  etc?

  What religion for Mary's parents and brothers?

  What else do you already know about Mary?

JM

[clancam37]

Hi MAJM,
Mary HAND and her family were of the Catholic religion.  Not aware of Mary BELL's religion.
Re Mary HAND -- have a large amount of information re her, Parents and Brothers.  The parents and Brothers all moved to the Warrnambool Victoria area, whilst Mary remained here in Tasmania.
Also have information re Thomas LIDDINGTON who some claim married Mary. Thomas was buried in a protestant cemetery in Tasmania. The LIDDINGTON family have been traced back to the 1600s in Northamptonshire.
Mary BELL is the enigma -- The Mary BELL who came on the "Mooltan" may have been too old to bear children in the 1870s.  Have researched several other Mary BELL's of the period without success.
I would very much appreciate any information re birth of Thomas LIDDINGTON Jr.  Was he the Son of Mary BELL or Mary HAND?  Was Mary BELL also Mary HAND?  Are there any records of his birth?  For example would Mary HAND have had him baptised in a Catholic Church in Sorell?  have records re the 1870s trial, Mary being incarcerated at New Norfolk and her death in 1905.
When did Mary BELL arrive in Tasmania or was she born in the Colony?
Please if you or anyone else can help please let me know.
Kind regards
clancam37

Mary HAND migrated with her Family from Carrickmoss, Ireland in 1854 to Tasmania.
The Parents and Sons moved to Warrnambool, Victoria and lived there for many, many years.
One Daughter Mary HAND born 1836 stayed in Tasmania.
Did she marry someone named BELL or LIDDINGTON?
Is it possible Mary BELL who died at New Norfolk, Tasmania in 1905 the same person
as Mary HAND?
clancam37

Some questions if I may ...

  Do you already have the details of the 1905 death of Mary BELL?   Cemetery, funeral and/or death notice,  day/month,  etc?

  What religion for Mary's parents and brothers?

  What else do you already know about Mary?

JM