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Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« on: Tuesday 04 May 21 07:06 BST (UK) »
I have been stuck on this Lady for a LONG time to thought I'd throw it out for HELP

Emma Wilson was born circa 1855 in Manchester. (that's one sticking point the combination of Wilson and Manchester)

The next is she is NOT with her parent or parents(s) but her Grandmother.

Census 1861 Russell Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

James Fairbrother Head M 34 Lancaster Blackburn,
Jonathan Fairbrother Son M 4 Lancaster Blackburn,
Margaret Hull Stepdaughter F 14 Lancaster Stewarton, (HALL)
Jane Hull Stepdaughter F 11 Lancaster Stewarton,
Margaret William Mother In Law F 64 Lancaster Stewarton, *** Grandmother*** should read Wilson
Emma William Niece F 7 Lancaster Manchester,
Jane William Lodger F 36 Lancaster Stewarton,

Census 1871 Blackburn, Lancashire

Margt Wilson Head F 73 Lancaster, Lancashire
Jane Hall Granddaughter F 21 Lancaster, Lancashire
Emma Wilson Granddaughter F 17 Manchester, Lancashire
Jonathan Fairbrother Grandson M 14 Blackburn, Lancashire
Margt Harwood Granddaughter F 24 Lancaster, Lancashire
Elizth Harwood Granddaughter F 5 Blackburn, Lancashire
Mary Jane Harwood Granddaughter F 3 Blackburn, Lancashire
Aminda Harwood Granddaughter F 1 Blackburn, Lancashire

Margaret Wilson with husband William (who I haven't found on any census BUT he's a Mariner so possibly at sea) ALL the child bar one state Mariner / Shipwright the other states Musician.

The Children of Margaret are all baptised in Lancaster - Joseph b 1821 Elizabeth b 1825 (who possibly marries three times certainly twice) , James b 1828, Mary b 1832 and Jane b 1834.

I have thought of purchasing the marriage certificate for Emma - but if she is illegitimate (which I suspect, it won't help) and the Birth certificate could become costly.

I have managed to trace Joseph through the census records and he is the least likely but even Elizabeth is a likely contender!

 Marriage: 24 Oct 1843 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancs.
John Hall - (X), Minor, Labourer, Bachelor, Skerton
Elizabeth Wilson - (X), Minor, Spinster, Skerton
Groom's Father: John Hall, Mariner
Bride's Father: William Wilson, Ship Wright
Witness: William Fawcett; John Beckett
Married by Certificate of the Superintendent Registrar by: E. J. Manby, Offg. Minister
Register: Marriages 1841 - 1845, Page 152, Entry 303 Source: LDS Film 1526201

*** not sure about this one ***
Name Joseph Bird
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Wilson
Event Date 25 Nov 1850
Event Place St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Joseph Bird
Spouse's Father's Name John Wilson
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single

1850 BIRD Jane WILSON Lancaster Preston LAN/15/6

Baptism: 5 Apr 1850 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancs.
Jane Bird - [Child] of Joseph Bird & Elizabeth
Born: 24 Mar 1850
Abode: Skerton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John Jameson, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1852, Page 183, Entry 1462
Source: LDS File 1526200

Jane (daughter of Elizabeth) 'acquires' Baird  on her marriage and one of her children is registered with her maiden name as BARDHALL

Marriage: 27 May 1855 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancs.
James Fairbrother - (X), 28, Piecer, Bachelor, Grave Street
Elizabeth Hall - (X), 28, Carder, Spinster, Foundry Street Nova Scotia
Groom's Father: Jonathan Fairbrother, Carder
Bride's Father: William Hall, Ship Carpenter
Witness: Thomas Tindsley, (X); Jane Wilson, (X)
Married by Banns by: J. C. Kershaw Curate
Register: Marriages 1855 - 1856, Page 93, Entry 186
Source: LDS Film 1278819

If anyone can solve this - I will give you a virtual hug!

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Re: Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 07:33 BST (UK) »
I expect you know that Stewarton is probably a mistranscription for Skerton, not originally part of Lancaster borough but immediately north of the Lune, and that anyone born Skerton is likely to be given as born Lancaster in another census.

Still reading the rest.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 07:37 BST (UK) »
St Mary Lancaster is the Priory Church. I've found it quite common for Skerton parents to baptise their children there, despite there being a C of E church in Skerton (St Luke's).

The conundrum requires more thought. If only Wilson were not such a maddeningly common name - in Lancs especially.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)


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Re: Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 07:58 BST (UK) »
I've managed to follow Joseph - He marries a Bowker , and lives in Preston then later Blackburn.

and Elizabeth  ::) to a certain extent though whether two or three marriages , I am not sure! On the marriage her Father changes every time, which sometimes suggest she doesn't know but William Wilson was on her baptism records, and used on her first marriage the others also state single not widowed!  Though how she explained her Children - I have no idea.

Jane I lose when she comes to Blackburn, with her Mother and Sister.

James and Mary - just have baptisms.  :( not even a burial  :(

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 08:04 BST (UK) »
This is Elizabeth with her children

Census 1851 School Yard Sherton, Lancashire, England Occupation: Formerley Laundress

Elizabeth Hall Head F 25 Sheraton, Lancashire
Margaret Hall Daughter F 4 Sheraton, Lancashire
Jane Hall Daughter F 1 Sheraton, Lancashire

I cant find her on the 1841 Census and she dies in 1859 having had a full life!

Name Elizabeth Fairbrother
Gender Female
Burial Date 03 Apr 1859
Burial Place Blackburn, Lancaster, England
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name James Fairbrother
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Re: Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 08:17 BST (UK) »
I'll look at it but know of no Charles Wilson in the family   >:( but that could eliminate ONE birth but which one lol  ???

Census 1871

Charles Wilson   Head   Male   53   Weaverham, Cheshire
Prudence Wilson   Wife   Female   48   Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire
Sarah Wilson   Daughter   Female   21   Salford, Lancashire
Mary Wilson   Daughter   Female   19   Salford, Lancashire
Emma Wilson   Daughter   Female   15   Salford, Lancashire
Elizabeth Wilson   Daughter   Female   10   Salford, Lancashire
Prudence Wilson   Daughter   Female   8   Ardwick, Lancashire
Charles E Wilson   Son   Male   6   Ardwick, Lancashire
Charlotte Wilson   Daughter   Female   3   Ardwick, Lancashire
Caroline Wilson   Daughter   Female   0   Ardwick, Lancashire

No not the right family I have Emma Wilson in the 1871 Census already with hew Grandmother
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Re: Brick Wall - Lancashire Family but any ideas welcome Surname Wilson
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 08:37 BST (UK) »
Like you I thought that Emma might be illegitimate but there is no such birth in the period in Manchester, Chorlton,Salford or Stockport.

MMNs are Tabiner (found) Turner Edge Hughes Boucher Thorn Kay and Hensham (GRO).

Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 08:45 BST (UK) »
So you eliminated

WILSON   Emma       1854   Chorlton-on-Medlock   Archives+, Manchester Central Library   CHO/39/59   
WILSON   Emma       1854   Chorlton-on-Medlock   Archives+, Manchester Central Library   CHO/41/36

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Ashton Lancashire
Eccles Lancashire
Fletcher Lancashire
Harwood Church/Darwen
Jackson Staffordhire/Worcestershire
Jenkinson Cockerham
Marsden Hoghton Lancashire
Mercer Lancashire/Yorkshire
Pye Wyresdale
Singleton Lancashire
Swarbrick  Longridge
Watt Scotland/Lancashire