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Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« on: Tuesday 04 May 21 10:09 BST (UK) »
Hi all

I am trying to find the marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman, born 1867 in Mile End Old Town and his 1st cousin Miriam Matilda Fileman, born 1871 in Mile End. I think it was some time around 1896. I have tried Ancestry and Free BMD but no luck.
Any info will be gratefully received.

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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 10:22 BST (UK) »
Daughter Theresa born March qtr 1896, in Islington.
Son John born born September qtr 1897, in Gravesend.
1901 census family are in Brighton.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 10:42 BST (UK) »
If Morris and Miriam were first cousins do you think  they were allowed to marry, just a thought

There is a family tree on Ancestry, you might also find them on 1939

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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 10:46 BST (UK) »
My gt.grandparents did not marry yet every birth/death certificate connected to their family (10 children) and census entry shows them as married.    ::)

Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 11:07 BST (UK) »
Suspect there wasn't a marriage between them so handy having the same surnames.
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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 11:41 BST (UK) »
This is just a thought and not sure of procedures. Were Morris & Miriam from a Jewish background and could  they have possibly married in a synagogue and would this marriage need to be registered as a GRO marriage. Other's may help here.

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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 12:01 BST (UK) »
If they married in a synagogue the marriage should have been registered at the GRO.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 May 21 16:07 BST (UK) »
Miriam's mother, Thersa was born c1842 in Jersey, CI.
1881 census has a visitor in the household, Thersa Leopold also born in Jersey, c1864.

Possible marriage in Jersey?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Marriage of Morris Abraham Fileman
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 May 21 10:34 BST (UK) »
Miriam was actually Morris's niece, being the eldest daughter of Morris' brother, Henry Fileman (b. c1842).

Henry Fileman had indeed married Theresa, the daughter of Lewis Lipman/Liebman Leopold), in 1869 in the Masonic Lodge, Bedford Row, London. The marriage was even announced in the Jewish Chronicle, and there is a corresponding civil registration.

In order to be married by an authorised rabbi and thereby obtain a civil marriage certificate, a Jewish couple needed to obtain a marriage authorisation from the Chief Rabbi in London. The authorisation was granted after the authorities were satisfied that both parties were halachically Jewish or that they had an acceptable Certificate of Conversion. Throughout much of the 19th century, the only acceptable proof was the ketubah (Jewish marriage contract) of the bride's and groom's parents.

Morris' parents (John s/o Benjamin and Mary d/o Jacob Levy) had married in the New Synagogue on 21 Mar 1841; his grandparents in the same synagogue in 1814. There would, presumably, have been no difficulty in proving his Jewishness.

Theresa's parents (Lewis s/o Isaac and Marian d/o Andrew Harvey) had married in St. Helier on 2 Sep 1846; their marriage being, apparently, the first recorded in the Jewish marriage register. Lewis (b. c1816 in Fürth, Germany) was apparently president of the congregation for a while before his death in 1877. The congregation acknowledged the authority of the Chief Rabbi and the Rabbinical Court in London. Again, one would have thought that Theresa's Jewishness would have been indisputable.

There is an online database of marriage authorisations issued between 1880 and 1922. It does not include a record for a Fileman-Fileman marriage. It would, therefore, appear that either Morris or Miriam were unable to produce the necessary proof.

This does not mean that Morris and Miriam did not marry, merely that they possibly underwent a clandestine marriage (stille khuppah = silent canopy/marriage ceremony) officiated by a religiously qualified, but unauthorised rabbi. They would have been married in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of the law, and there would be no official record of the marriage.

Justin