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John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« on: Tuesday 04 May 21 10:45 BST (UK) »
searching for the parents of John Doyle

He was born around 1830/34 according to his Military and death records

Information I have found so far

Fought in the crimean war and was injured 1849-1856
Married, Hannah Kent nee McMullen 1865
Left Ireland as a Pensioner guard on "The Racehorse" 1865, Perth Western Australia
5 Children with Hannah, 1869-1877
Died Fremantle, Western Australia, 1904

Parents listed as
Irish Register: Thomas Dunegan
Parish: Thomas (des) and Catherine Christian
Death: Patrick and Catherine Murray
Down and Antrim - Orr, Kelly, Murray, Davey, Little, Phillips, McDowell, Morell, McKee, Crothers, Freeburn, Stewart, Holmes, Hill, McInnis.

Dublin and Kildare - Doyle, McMullen, Duffy

Other - Dundonald Ayrshire, Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire. Kent, Victoria and Western Australia

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 May 21 18:02 BST (UK) »
Have you looked at the actual parish register John Doyle's Parents Thomas(decd)Catherine Christian address America
number 5
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.catherine_mf_1811-1857_ma_0231

cant see why the father is entered as Dunegan   mystery ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11562/8253404.pdf

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 May 21 23:58 BST (UK) »
I've looked and i'm stumped. I've scrolled through the scanned parish records for his baptism, Lucan and surrounds. There's also no next of kin on his crimean war record, not that I can see

I originally paid to have the Civil record scanned, as it hadn't been done at that point in time. But that was to get to the bottom of the mystery of his wife. All it did was give me more questions about hi
Down and Antrim - Orr, Kelly, Murray, Davey, Little, Phillips, McDowell, Morell, McKee, Crothers, Freeburn, Stewart, Holmes, Hill, McInnis.

Dublin and Kildare - Doyle, McMullen, Duffy

Other - Dundonald Ayrshire, Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire. Kent, Victoria and Western Australia


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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 May 21 01:59 BST (UK) »


Can you please list all the details on the death certificate, 1904, John DOYLE.

No children in the first four years of marriage....then five children in eight years?

Where did John DOYLE and Hannah KENT marry?

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 May 21 02:25 BST (UK) »
Married 1865 Dublin South and within a few months they were on the way to Perth, Western australia

Doyle, John. age 70, Born Dublin, Parents Patrick and Murray, Catherine, Death 6/10/1904 Beaconsfield

As for the children 2 of them aren't even on Births deaths and marriages, Hannahs burrial record was transcribed wrong.
Down and Antrim - Orr, Kelly, Murray, Davey, Little, Phillips, McDowell, Morell, McKee, Crothers, Freeburn, Stewart, Holmes, Hill, McInnis.

Dublin and Kildare - Doyle, McMullen, Duffy

Other - Dundonald Ayrshire, Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire. Kent, Victoria and Western Australia

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 May 21 02:25 BST (UK) »
I have a theory
That John for some reason changed his surname and his mother may of had the middle name Christina. If I take those factors into account, I find these things

1820 Marriage of THOMAS DOONIGAN   CATHERINE MURRAY - Lucan
1821 Baptism of CATHERINE DOONIGAN - Lucan - Parents listed as THOMAS DOONIGAN  CHRISTIANA DOONIGAN
1826 Baptism of THOMAS DOONIGAN - lucan - Parents listed as THOS. DOONIGAN CHRISTIAN DOONIGAN
1831 Baptism of ANN DONEGAN - Palmerstown - Parents listed as THOS. [THOMAS] DONEGAN CHRISTINE DONEGAN
1831 Baptism of DANL DONEGAN - Palmerstown - Parents listed as THOS. [THOMAS] DONEGAN CHRISTINA DONEGAN
1833 Baptism of JNO. [JOHN] DONEGAN - Palmerstown - Parents Listed as THOMAS DONEGAN
CHRISTINA DONEGAN

1835 Baptism of MARY DONNEGAN - Palmerstown - Parents listed as THOS. [THOMAS] DONNEGAN
CHRISTINA DONNEGAN

Has anyone ever come accross a last name change while still in the their birth country and using the fathers real surname on documents?
Down and Antrim - Orr, Kelly, Murray, Davey, Little, Phillips, McDowell, Morell, McKee, Crothers, Freeburn, Stewart, Holmes, Hill, McInnis.

Dublin and Kildare - Doyle, McMullen, Duffy

Other - Dundonald Ayrshire, Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire. Kent, Victoria and Western Australia

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 May 21 02:33 BST (UK) »


"...As for the children 2 of them aren't even on Births deaths and marriages, Hannahs burrial record was transcribed wrong."

What names do you have for their children...where and when born?

What do you have for Hannah's (incorrect) burial record?

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 May 21 02:39 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth 1869, Perth
Maria Rebecca  1871, Perth.
John  1873, Perth
Alice 1874 perth
Thomas 1877 perth

The Cemtery that Hannah was burried in, is now a Primary school or Park. Not sure when, but someone went through and transcribed all the records, had her down as Maria Doyle. However Hannahs Death Cert date matches exactly with the Maria on the transcribed records
Down and Antrim - Orr, Kelly, Murray, Davey, Little, Phillips, McDowell, Morell, McKee, Crothers, Freeburn, Stewart, Holmes, Hill, McInnis.

Dublin and Kildare - Doyle, McMullen, Duffy

Other - Dundonald Ayrshire, Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire. Kent, Victoria and Western Australia

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Re: John doyle of Lucan, maybe
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 May 21 02:50 BST (UK) »

".. Hannah Kent nee McMullen 1865"   John DOYLE marries Hannah KENT...a widow?

What names do you see for witnesses on the marriage record, 1865?

Did Hannah bring any KENT children with her to Western Australia?

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate, 1904, John DOYLE.