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McCulloch / Wales marriage
« on: Thursday 06 May 21 09:23 BST (UK) »
Hello fellow researchers,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me think of resources where I might find the marriage of William McCulloch (farm labourer / lumberer) to Ann Wales (washerwoman / whitening) - I know that their eldest children were born in Ireland (but not where). Given their names not being typically Irish it's hard to say whether they were born there or whether they just lived there for a time.

I believe the name McCulloch is associated with the Plantation of Ulster and I'm guessing Antrim is the most likely county they would have been in but this is guess work at the moment.
 
William McCulloch and Ann Wales are listed on the 1864 Scottish marriage bann of their son John - father deceased - and again mentioned in a Poor Law Relief request of his from Nov 1913.

Their son John, b. circa 1845, Ireland was a miner his entire life and seems to have lived most of his life in Slamannan / Limerigg area of Linlithgowshire (modern West Lothian).

Any help or advice on resources would be very much appreciated. John's birth and their marriage unhelpfully occurs just before BMD records in Ireland are available so I'm not sure where to look and parish records haven't thrown anything up for me yet.

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Re: McCulloch / Wales marriage
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 May 21 10:40 BST (UK) »
If you go to https://www.swilson.info/sdist.php and search on Wales, it shows in map format, the distribution of the surname in Ireland in the mid 1800s.

If you go to https://www.swilson.info/surnamexref.php, and try variations of McCulloch along with Wales, it will indicate civil parishes where two surnames appear, again mid 1800s or so. Shankhill Parish, Antrim seems to be a possibility.

Remember, the tools are only indicators, but can be useful in narrowing down potential search areas.
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Re: McCulloch / Wales marriage
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 May 21 11:06 BST (UK) »
If you go to http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch#

and type Wales in surname box, Antrim in County box and  Shankhill in Parish box, it returns 4 Wales entries from Griffiths Valuation. You can do the same for McCulloch/McCullough and variations.
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Re: McCulloch / Wales marriage
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 May 21 12:06 BST (UK) »
Ann can be Agnes or Nancy or even Hannah. Wales can also be Wells and McCullach, McCullagh, etc. which makes lots of variations to search for.

Do you know what religion the family might have been?
Have you checked all possible census records to see if a more exact location is given?
What about any siblings of John that went to the same area in Scotland?
Did the parents also move to Scotland?

Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began in 1864 (quite a bit after John was born). Registration of non-Catholic marriages, including those in a registry office started 1845.
Catholic & Church of Ireland churches followed a parish system but other religions did not (Presbyterian churches in Presbyteries, Methodists in Circuits, etc.) There are surviving pre-registration church records but you'd need a more exact location to start checking (not all are online).

If you haven't see this website would be worth having a look to see lots of resources-
http://www.billmacafee.com/
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Re: McCulloch / Wales marriage
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 May 21 10:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you both so much, these are excellent resources I had no idea existed.

Yes, the timings are all slightly annoying for BMD records.

I believe they were Presbytarians as the son married in the Scottish church, but that may have been owing to conventions of the location rather than strict conviction so it's impossible to be sure. I'll go and have a dig with these resources to see what I can find. Thank you again for your suggestions.

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Re: McCulloch / Wales marriage
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 May 21 11:56 BST (UK) »
more Wales background in Ireland
a quick look at bill mcafee 1669 hearth money rolls produces
5334   517   Tyrone   Dungannon Middle   Drumglass   Dungannon   Dungannon   Patrick   Weales   Wales
1796 Flax growers in Ireland see https://www.failteromhat.com/flax1796.php
Surname   First Name   Parish/Barony   County
Following are the exact matches: ie no Weales
Wales   Thomas   Errigal   Derry
Wales   Brice      Billy   Antrim
1823-1837 Wales in Ireland as recorded in Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837
it gives just name and acres of land but useful for locations sometimes
from irish genealogy hub for 6 counties
Wales, Andw.-T: Drumconvis Y: 1827-Tamlaght-Derry & Tyrone
Wales, Andw.-T: Drumconvis Y: 1827-Tamlaght-Tyrone
Wales, George-Townland: Ballaghally Year: 1834-Kilbroney-Down
Wales, Thomas-Townland: Ballintemple Year: 1825-Errigal-Derry
for 26 counties http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
Wales   Nichs      Modesse   Clontibret   Monaghan   1830
Wales         Crobally   Drumcannon   Waterford   
Wales   William   Keelnamrack   Glanbehy   Kerry   1827
Wales   Michl      Cabra      Kilglass   Sligo   1833
Wales   John      Tarbert Hill   Kilnaughtin   Kerry   1832
Wales   Alexander   Currakeran   Knockbride   Cavan   1827
Wales   Thos      Thurlesbeg   St PatricksrockTipperary   1827
Wales   Samuel   Drumalla   Tuogh      Limerick   1826

 if you haven’t seen https://www.johngrenham.com do check it out

if you haven’t seen https://www.ancestryireland.com for the surname Wales
Irish Birth/Baptism Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1930   111 results
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Marriage Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c.1660-1930   65 results
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Death/Burial Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1998   26 results
Pay-Per-ViewNorthern Irish Gravestone Inscriptions   3 results
they have many other entries for the name listed for members only use. do check them out

GenesReunited has 95 entries including an entry
Ann   Wales   1820   place of birth???, Ireland ...   treeholder Gordon   
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