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The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 19:28 BST (UK) »
Hiya Calpe - I see you are online
have a look at this - no mention of a son George ?? but a son John Charles -
the tree gives Sir Georges parents and grandparents

https://gw.geneanet.org/dclanton?n=rooke&oc=&p=admiral+sir+george

https://gw.geneanet.org/wernervols?n=rooke&oc=&p=sir+william+sheriff+of+kent

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Obviously something wrong there - as Spendloves newspaper article states - George "ONLY SON " of George - so who id John Charles ?  unless he died young ...
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Do we presume this tree to be wrong ??
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Colonel Sir William Rooke = Jane Finch       
                                      I
              Admiral Sir George Rooke 1650-1709 = Henrietta Moore 1684-1755   
                                                                     I
                                            John Charles Rook 1705-1781
Thanks Garstonite for that information.
Sorry to say that the tree information is incorrect, so i won't go down that path.

What i was holding my hopes high was for some written document that states the death of George Rooke (July 1702-Nov.1739)
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 19:33 BST (UK) »
  I think you are lucky to have even that much information at such an early date!
That might be so, but i have done a lot of my own research.
I have been given some very interesting articles from the kind people that have replied.

As i have mentioned what i was hoping to find was some kind of written document that states the cause of George Rooke's death.
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 15 May 21 11:31 BST (UK) »
If you have access to British Library Newspapers (usually free through your local library on-line depending on where you are) there are a number of obituaries for George ROOKE, son of the Admiral of the fleet. However, they don't provide actual details of his death, mostly just refering to the burial and inscription on the Monument. As others have said, regardless of how famous his father was, it is rare to have much detail of a son's death in that time, and the information you already have is quite considerable for the time.  :)

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« Reply #21 on: Monday 17 May 21 20:25 BST (UK) »
If you have access to British Library Newspapers (usually free through your local library on-line depending on where you are) there are a number of obituaries for George ROOKE, son of the Admiral of the fleet. However, they don't provide actual details of his death, mostly just refering to the burial and inscription on the Monument. As others have said, regardless of how famous his father was, it is rare to have much detail of a son's death in that time, and the information you already have is quite considerable for the time.  :)

Thank you maddys52, for your reply, sadly, i do not have access to British Library Newspapers.
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain


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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #22 on: Monday 17 May 21 21:26 BST (UK) »
Not quite sure what info you are actually looking for, as you say you can find nothing re George Jnr.,is it just info re cause of death ?
He made his will on the 18th May 1838, his wife was Francis Ward dau of Viscount Dudley, they had
No children. 

He was young to have made a will. It suggests to me that he may have had a serious illness in May 1838 and feared he was on his deathbed. The illness might have left him with impaired health which led to his death the following year.
Wasn't apoplexy a cover-all term? Cause may have been unknown.
Did they go in much for autopsies back then? Probably not unless "foul play" was suspected.
In the case of a sudden, unexplained death, an inquest might have been held, often at an inn. The corpse would have been on display and witnesses called. 

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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 18 May 21 21:53 BST (UK) »
Not quite sure what info you are actually looking for, as you say you can find nothing re George Jnr.,is it just info re cause of death ?
He made his will on the 18th May 1838, his wife was Francis Ward dau of Viscount Dudley, they had
No children. 

He was young to have made a will. It suggests to me that he may have had a serious illness in May 1838 and feared he was on his deathbed. The illness might have left him with impaired health which led to his death the following year.
Wasn't apoplexy a cover-all term? Cause may have been unknown.
Did they go in much for autopsies back then? Probably not unless "foul play" was suspected.
In the case of a sudden, unexplained death, an inquest might have been held, often at an inn. The corpse would have been on display and witnesses called.


Sorry, but the year should be 1739.

Spendlove told us in an earlier post
From Findmypast The Burial Register for George Jnr states
Canterbury St. Paul’s, 28.11.1739


Maiden Stone, i have not seen anything that mentions he was ill, only in my earliest post that he woke one morning and just collapsed.
Maybe not foul play, but unexplained maybe.

In my first post of this thread i wrote: -
The only thing i have found (very surprising for a son of an Admiral of the Fleet) is a small mention in 'Memoirs of Laetitia Pilkington, Vol.II, 1749'

Quote from page 129 -
'....for the very first news i heard next morning, as, that Mr Rooke, a little while after he rose, fell down in an Apoplectic Fit, and instantly expired.'

An apoplectic fit, also known as apoplexy, refers to a sudden neurological impairment often resulting from a brain haemorrhage or stroke.

Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 19 May 21 14:07 BST (UK) »

Sorry, but the year should be 1739.

Spendlove told us in an earlier post
From Findmypast The Burial Register for George Jnr states
Canterbury St. Paul’s, 28.11.1739


Maiden Stone, i have not seen anything that mentions he was ill, only in my earliest post that he woke one morning and just collapsed.
Maybe not foul play, but unexplained maybe.


Quote from page 129 -
'....for the very first news i heard next morning, as, that Mr Rooke, a little while after he rose, fell down in an Apoplectic Fit, and instantly expired.'

An apoplectic fit, also known as apoplexy, refers to a sudden neurological impairment often resulting from a brain haemorrhage or stroke.

I often stray into the wrong century. Common mistake in family history.  :)
Does the preamble to the will mention his state of health? All those for my ancestors begin with something like "being weak in body", even those who survived another couple of years.
What I was considering was why a comparatively young man, in the prime of life, felt it necessary to make a will. Something must have prompted his decision.
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 19 May 21 20:28 BST (UK) »
Maiden Stone said - "I often stray into the wrong century. Common mistake in family history.  :)
Does the preamble to the will mention his state of health? All those for my ancestors begin with something like "being weak in body", even those who survived another couple of years.
What I was considering was why a comparatively young man, in the prime of life, felt it necessary to make a will. Something must have prompted his decision."

Checking on this i've been looking at the National Archives
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_dss=range&_sd=1702&_ed=1739&_p=1700&_q=george+rooke+Will

Instead there are several items of George Rooke (1702-1739).

1. Catalogue description.
    George con Rooke et al
    Reference: PROB 28/26
    Description: George con Rooke et al, Date: 1718
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3301547

2. Catalogue description
    Short title: Rooke v Rooke. Document type: Bill only. Plaintiffs: George Rooke, esq
    of...
    Reference: C 11/1890/45, Description: Short title: Rooke v Rooke, Document type:
    Bill only.
    Plaintiffs: George Rooke, esq of Canterbury, Kent.
    Defendants: Frances Rooke (wife of said George Rooke), John Ward and Robert Pigott.
    Date of bill (or first document): 1734
    Note: The naming of a party does not imply that he or she will appear in all the
    documents in this cause (after the bill)
    Date: 1734
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10486579

3. Catalogue description.
    Will of George Rooke of Saint Lawrence Canterbury, Kent.
    Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers.
    Name of Register: Henchman Quire Numbers: 225-274. Will of George Rooke of Saint
    Lawrence Canterbury, Kent.
    Reference: PROB 11/699/199, Description: Will of George Rooke of Saint Lawrence
    Canterbury, Kent.
    Date: 26 November 1739


These are free to download: -
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D645238

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D605023
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 20 May 21 14:58 BST (UK) »
Can someone kindly enlighten me what are the documents No.1 and No.2 about? ;)

Having checked at the National Archives, i found these: -
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_dss=range&_sd=1702&_ed=1739&_p=1700&_q=george+rooke+Will

I am at a loss of what they are about.


Apart from that the Last Will & Testament of George Rooke, is dated 18th May 1738.
It's not easy to read but there is no mention of any illness etc.
He was only aged 36 years old when he wrote his Will!

Further down we can see that the Will was proved at London 26th Nov. 1739. 
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain