Author Topic: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?  (Read 613 times)

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Found one of my research families came up in a Familysearch listing. It finds the Public Records Of Ireland, Index to prerogative wills 1811 - 1858. Image attached, but it does not link  to the 'Will'. So where can I view it?

Secondly the instruction for reading the entries is very confusing! It mentions the 'grantor' and the 'grantee', yet leaves the interpretation of which is which up to the reader. Is the first entry the 'grantor'? If so, is the second the 'grantee'? Which then begs the question ' where is the surname of the latter?
Interested in the US-McDUNN / MCADEN / MCADDEN / MUCKEDON family history,and variants Westmeath Co. Ireland.  Have read parts of John McDunn's scholarly work on the US-McDunn descendants of Patrick Muckedon of Winetown Co. Westmeath, Ireland.

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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 May 21 23:34 BST (UK) »
Can you post a link to the page of your query for others to understand?

You can view wills in their search rooms or order copies although the info. isn't too clear (at least to me)...

https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/obtain-copies-of-archives/

Maybe an email to...https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/contact-us/

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 May 21 00:05 BST (UK) »
Can you post a link to the page of your query for others to understand?

You can view wills in their search rooms or order copies although the info. isn't too clear (at least to me)...

https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/obtain-copies-of-archives/

Maybe an email to...https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/contact-us/

Annie
Certainly! To view the link you have to be a member of FamilySearch.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.surname=muckedon&q.surname.exact=on&q.residencePlace=mullingar%2C%20ireland&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on

It occurs to me as I read you reply, we are looking at two entirely different sources.

Thanks for the suggestion, I will try that first.
Interested in the US-McDUNN / MCADEN / MCADDEN / MUCKEDON family history,and variants Westmeath Co. Ireland.  Have read parts of John McDunn's scholarly work on the US-McDunn descendants of Patrick Muckedon of Winetown Co. Westmeath, Ireland.


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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 May 21 00:32 BST (UK) »
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp

Above link will give you a better explaation of what is, and, importantly, isn't, available. For the most part, only the indexes survive.
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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 May 21 00:57 BST (UK) »
It occurs to me as I read you reply, we are looking at two entirely different sources.

I couldn't tell what you were looking at hence asking for a link  :)

What I did was highlight & right click what it has in your link...
"Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Wills & Administrations Indexes, 1595-1858"

Which takes me here...http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp

Which should be the same Public Records Office in my previous link - Public Records of Ireland?

The other would be Public Records of Northern Ireland...

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars

Hope it's of help.

Annie



South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 May 21 03:38 BST (UK) »
It occurs to me as I read you reply, we are looking at two entirely different sources.

I couldn't tell what you were looking at hence asking for a link  :)

What I did was highlight & right click what it has in your link...
"Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Wills & Administrations Indexes, 1595-1858"

Which takes me here...http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp

Which should be the same Public Records Office in my previous link - Public Records of Ireland?

The other would be Public Records of Northern Ireland...

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars

Hope it's of help.

Annie

Indeed the link appears to do that!

But what I have is a 'snip' of the actual Index Ledger Book pages, which is too large a file, 904KB,  to post here. Instead, on my original post, I shared just the line with the family name 'Muckedon', the first name 'John' and, what really got my attention, the location. 'Bingo' thought I, as imagining I had broken through yet another barrier in the quest to step another generation back in their history, leapt off on foolish hopes of reading the will. Ha! not to be....

Reading scotmum, I get the impression that I will not find the actual will! But maybe it does not matter, because now I have a strong case for asserting that this John is the parent / sibling of the known resident of the location, one James McAden B 1788 D 1875. Certainly if John passed in 1825, or thereabout, he fits well the statistic of a likely parent of James.

Thanks for your reply.


Interested in the US-McDUNN / MCADEN / MCADDEN / MUCKEDON family history,and variants Westmeath Co. Ireland.  Have read parts of John McDunn's scholarly work on the US-McDunn descendants of Patrick Muckedon of Winetown Co. Westmeath, Ireland.

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Re: Help. How to see Wills listed in Public Records Of Ireland 1811 - 1868?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 May 21 20:29 BST (UK) »
With rare exceptions where copies were also held by soliciters and subsequently deposited only the Will registers survive https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2016/10/10/wills-wills-and-more-wills/

This is stated on the Irish National Archives site
"Before 1858, grants of probate and administration were made by the courts of the Church of Ireland (the Prerogative Court and the Diocesan or Consistorial Courts). Almost all of the original records were destroyed in the Public Record Office in 1922. Most of what appears on this site are indexes to the original wills." http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp

Familysearch https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Record_Loss and here https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html
[Both the irishgeneology toolkit and John Grenham's Irish Ancestors are great sites for finding out about Irish geneological search and where to find records]

Unfortunately the index page you have is all there is. For others here is the NAI link with the image http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/details.jsp?id=170964