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Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« on: Tuesday 11 May 21 07:39 BST (UK) »
 Hello
Robert Allison Cully/Culley was born 26 Jan 1905 in Cushendall,registered Ballycastle  to parents Robert and Eliza ( Lizzie) .
But I cant find anything about him and know very little about his parents . Keen to learn more.

His father Robert Cully /Culley was according to the 1901 Irish Census born Armagh . On that census he is single and living as a Boarder with the Irvine family at  Naul ,Tynan . On the the 1911 Irish census  he is married and  living with his wife and son at Garfield Place Ballymena and working as a Labourer . Census says they have been marred 7 years but I haven't managed to  find a marriage cert on GRONI.

His wife Lizzie is  Eliza Jane McKinley b 8/7/1867  Kilbegs . surname  shown as Mckinly on some records . She is the daughter of Robert McKinley and Mary Jane Armstrong /McKinley of Randalstown. Both dead before the 1901 Census.
I haven't managed to find Eliza in the 1901 Census .

I looked at couple of deaths for a Robert Cully in the years shortly after the 1911 census in case that would explain my missing persons but no luck.  The one 3/12/1912 Belfast  is for a 2 year old child. The one 29/1/1922 Belfast  is also not for either of my Robert Cullys as  the informant ant was the son in law of the person who died .

So what happened to Robert Allison Cully and his parents . ?
Grateful for any information.
Thank you .

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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 May 21 13:06 BST (UK) »
Have you tried searching for them outside Ireland? From their ages in 1911 it may be that one or both were married previously.

An online tree says Robert Allison Cully married Isabella McDowell Templeton but source is 'Ancestry Family Tree.'
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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 May 21 16:03 BST (UK) »
Quote from: tempogold on Tuesday 11 May 21 07:39 BST (UK)

... On the the 1911 Irish census  he is married and  living with his wife and son at Garfield Place Ballymena and working as a Labourer . Census says they have been marred 7 years but I haven't managed to  find a marriage cert on GRONI.


The civil marriage registration is free to view on the 'irishgenealogy' website:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10250/5730849.pdf

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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 May 21 21:21 BST (UK) »
Eliza’s address when she married in 1901 was 18 Aberdeen St. I noted this family in Aberdeen St in the 1901 census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Aberdeen_Street/1005276/

 I suspect it’s Eliza’s brother.  Here’s his marriage certificate in 1900, living at 18 Aberdeen St. As with Eliza, the father was Robert, a miller.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10360/5771438.pdf

James birth in Kilbegs, near Randalstown:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03363/2233063.pdf

Eliza’s birth in same location:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03477/2277387.pdf

Robert’s death in 1889 in Cloughanduff, near Templepatrick:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06154/4758198.pdf

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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 07:45 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Elwyn Soutter on Tuesday 11 May 21 21:21 BST (UK)
James birth in Kilbegs, near Randalstown:

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Robert’s death in 1889 in Cloughanduff, near Templepatrick:

Kilbegs townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/antrim/randalstown/kilbegs/

Cloghanduff townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-upper/templepatrick/templepatrick/cloghanduff/

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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 08:17 BST (UK) »
 Thank you all.  Yes despite  looking else where for Robert Allison  Cully and family found nothing. And here was me thinking it was such a good name.

Thank you for all the useful links.

Sorry not to reply sooner but needed to check a few things but have confused myself even more. I suspect there  Could have been quite a few Robert McKinleys as Millers in the area ?

I have James McKinley the brother to Eliza marrying a  Ellen McNichol 1/11/1895 in Ballymena . And i have  James and Ellen On the 1901 census  living at Kilbegs ,Randalstown with 2 children Louisa 4 and John 1 and not in  Belfast .

 I know these are the correct children as in contact with a direct descendant . (their  son Robert b3/4/1898 Larne dies 21/6/1899 Drummaul, antrim ) so thinking it unlikely the Belfast James and Ellen are connected to this family--but its quite a coincidence with the link to milling.

 I have  James  brother of Eliza Jane  dying 15/3/1903 in Ballymena --will need to  recheck that . In due course his wife remarries  Allan foster Craig. You can see why I am confused.

Looking again at my list of poss children of Robert McKinley and  Mary Jane Armstrong from  Kilbegs Randalstown  I have a Bessie McKinley --no details. So now wondering if its Bessie/Elizabeth/Lizzie that marries Robert Cully  and Not Eliza jane?  Not that it takes us anyway forward.

I do appreciate your time and help  on these mystery people.
Thank You .


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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 08:51 BST (UK) »
There only appear to be two Cully/Culley families in Ballymena at 1911. Robert, wife and son, as mentioned earlier in thread:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballymena_Town/Garfield_Place/116601/


and an Andrew, with a much older than him wife, no family

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballymena_Town/Hill_Street/116684/.

Likely their marriage in Armagh https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/b008fd2500513

Ballymena Petty sessions has a rather long entry in July 1920, concerning a House Possession case involving a by then widowed Andrew

( his wife's death https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4694325732551 )

of Hill Street and his brother Robert, who had a wife and 16 yr old son. Robert and family, at some time prior to 1920, had lived in William Street, but after the death of Andrew's wife, then moved in with him.

Robert Cully was in William Street by at least 1915, when he put a personal notice in various newspaper's Missing Relatives section, re a John Brannigan of Armagh, who had been in Ballymena 4 months prior, but last heard of in Larne.



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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 09:03 BST (UK) »
There was a * Cully at 11 Alfred Street, Ballymena in 1959. And a *  Cully at same address in 1950. Both seemed to have been young men at the time.

* I have removed names in case either/both are still living
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Re: Robert Allison Cully, born Cushendall
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 May 21 09:22 BST (UK) »
A Robert Cully married an Isabell Templeton on 14th July 1925 in Ballymena.

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