Miranda McGregor

[chempat]

I have applied for only one of the marriage certificates, and am now trying to find out if anyone with trees has got any of them - some information must have come from somewhere, one would think.  But not holding out much hope.  Perhaps a really useful tree got deleted.

[Ladyhawk]

Mary Diana (the daughter) married Richard Hugh Shapter Robinson in South Africa in the 1950s, or so I have gleaned from another tree!

Here's the marriage entry for Mary Diana Robertson age 27 to Richard 11 April 1950 - you can view the image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZH5-ZQDM

[chempat]

Thanks for that - I might end up with detailed knowledge of the wrong family - but it won't be for the first time.   

[heywood]

Me too.

But... may be the tree with little information which has Maidie as mum based it on something   

[avm228]

Mary Diana (the daughter) married Richard Hugh Shapter Robinson in South Africa in the 1950s, or so I have gleaned from another tree!

Here's the marriage entry for Mary Diana Robertson age 27 to Richard 11 April 1950 - you can view the image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZH5-ZQDM

Brilliant - thank you 😊

If Miranda is a daughter of JF MacGregor then any descendants of hers should be DNA matches with me. Nobody is jumping out at the moment, but I will keep an eye on my unexplained matches. Chempat - would you be related too?

[chempat]

No, I am not related at all.

A couple got married in 1969, and she was the daughter of Mr & Mrs B D Startup.  As they are probably still alive I will just say that I thought, with those names, it would be a doddle to do, but there was a problem from the off.  I now have a lot of pages of notes, when, usually, births, marriages and deaths can just fall out - particularly if they are, and stay, local.

[Ladyhawk]

I don’t know anything about Miranda McGregor, but I have Mary Elizabeth Pim in my tree as she married my relative John Francis MacGregor. (He is my 1st cousin 3x removed - born in Glasgow).

Here’s a summary of what I have on her:

1881: Born Mary Elizabeth Pim in Maryboro, Ireland
1900: Married Alfred James Scott Dodd, in Merthyr Tydfil
1913: Divorce proceedings begun (final decree 16 Feb 1914) - based on her adultery with J F MacGregor
1914: Married John Francis MacGregor, in Marylebone
1922: Twins born on 23 Nov - John Francis Pim MacGregor and Mary Diana MacGregor
1925: Divorce proceedings begun between the MacGregors. Wife’s petition.
1927: Marriage to Noel Yeo Robertson

Date unknown: Emigration to South Africa with Noel and the twin children

1943: Death of son John in WW2 (Italy)

avm228 had a check to see if I could find a date for Emigration to SA - sorry didn't come up with anything 

This information you probably have but posting just in case

Mary E Robertson, 61, housewife
Mary D Robertson 26
Port of Departure:   Durban, South Africa
Arrival 24 Jun 1949 Southampton
Ship Name:   Athlone Castle
Proposed address in UK 54 Iverna Court, Kensington W 8

Mary Elizabeth Macgregor (known as Maidie Scott), married Age:   35
Birth Place:   Maryboro Ireland
Departure Port:   Liverpool
Arrival 14 Sep 1924 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Final Destination:   Sydney, N.S.W.
Years in US:   14 Dys
Height:   5 ft 1
Hair Colour:   Red
Eye Colour:   Blue
Complexion:   Fair
Identifying Marks:   Scar Left Eyebrow
Nearest relative   John Macgregor, Magna Carta Wraysbury,Bucks
Ship Name:   Celtic
Going to Theatre Royal, Sydney, NSW

Article in The Sydney Morning Herald 22 Dec 1924  Miss Maidie Scott
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16189838?searchTerm=%22maide%20scott%22

Mar 1926 Miss Maidie Scott Gets a Decree - wife to keep twins
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/40527155?searchTerm=%22mary%20Elizabeth%20macgregor%22

There are quite a fair number of Articles on Trove if you haven't already looked

Mary Elizabeth Macgregor Age:   37, Musical Artiste
Port of Departure:   Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date:   8 Jun 1925 Southampton
Ship Name:   Windsor Castle
Proposed address in UK Magna Carta, Wraysbury, Bucks

[avm228]

Thank you Ladyhawk - I haven’t been able to pin down a precise emigration date either, but imagine it must have been fairly soon after the wedding in the light of this piece in The Stage, 17 March 1927:

Maisie Scott is to retire from the stage. She says “I am giving up my theatrical work because I recently married an engineer who now insists that I shall go with him to South Africa, where his work lies”. Miss Scott will make her last appearance at the Holborn Empire in May, after being on the stage for twenty-one years, less two months.

[avm228]

The May 1926 child custody report is interesting, isn’t it - it clearly refers only to the twins and no other children of the MacGregor couple. If born in late 1912 Miranda would not yet have been 14 so not independent. And if she wasn’t theirs, who was she?

Chempat which marriage certificate have you ordered? I am quite happy to get one so as to help solve this, but probably best if we don’t duplicate Feel free to PM me if you like.