George PONTING, born 1846, Bristol

[BAC3]

Hello,

Records show that there are two surname variations, viz., POYNTING and PONTIN.

I am trying to establish whether the following trials concern the same George PONTING:

(a):   17/03/1863 Gloucester Easter Sessions, 5 months hard labour for larceny:
(b):   07/07/1863 Bristol Midsummer Sessions,12 months hard labour (2 sentences concurrent) for
         larceny: and
(c):   22/03/1865 Bristol Easter Sessions, 6 months hard labour for larceny.

The convict records for these three convictions are not clear to identity and as far as I have been able to research there are no newspaper reports that might help.  (a) and (b) are confusing in that the 5 months for (a) would have meant his discharge on 16/08/1863 being more than a month beyond the sentencing for (b), although the latter charge did specify he had been previously convicted.   I am uncertain whether or not "good behaviour" played any part in reducing short sentences in early Victorian times?   Of course, it is accepted convicts were released on licence for longer sentences.   I could have misread the 3 for 5 in (a)

I wonder if anyone has access to records that may explain the identity dilemma.

Thank you for your help.

BAC3
 

[Capetown]

Gloucestershire Genelogical Database has :

28 February 1863
George PONTING - aged 24  c1839
Public Address: Cheltenham
Occupation: Labourer.


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Ancestry:

Easter Quarter Sessions: Gloucester : 17 March 1863
George PONTING - Larency (5 months hard labourer)

(the next record is not on Gloucestershire Genelogical Database)

George PONTING - Larcency (two Convictions) before Conviction
(12 months upon each Conviction Concurrent Sentences)
Midsummer Sessions, Held at Bristol  7 July 1863

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George PONTING - Easter Sessions - 1865

Larcency before convicted of felcony - 6 months

There is a

George PONTING  October 1854 - Michaelmas Quarter Sessions, Gloucestershire

Larcency

This George PONTING in 1854 - was from Charfield, Gloucestershire, and there is a baptism on the Gloucestershire Genelogical Database for George PONTIN - 1832 at Charfield, parents: George & Rebecca.


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George Ponting c 1832
George Ponting c 1839

[Capetown]

George PONTING

c1839 - Cheltenham, Labourer

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Ancestry has George VENTIN (Bracket) PONTING - living in Cheltenham 1861

George - aged 22 - born Fairford, Glos
Ann - 24 - born Glos. Glos
Henry - 2
Thomas GARDENER - brother - unmarried - tailor aged 20

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Gloucestershirebmd

birth:
PONTING - Henry - mother's maiden name: GARDNER - 1859 Cheltenham

assume this could be George PONTING convicted  in 1854  aged 24.


There is a Public Members Tree on Ancestry - and in 1867 - George and his wife (now called EDWARDS)  - appear to have a son born 1867 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex.

[BAC3]

Thank you Capetown,

I am concerned with the afterthought that the "5 months hard labour" was possibly a clerical error and should have read "3".   Sadly, there are no other records that could offer some form of contradiction.

For the moment I am going to concede that all three convictions, (a), (b) and (c), relate to the same person.

BAC3

[BAC3]

Good Evening,

I have now resolved the question of his convictions and confirm that only (b) was applicable.

New Thread

Can anyone indicate when he died.   I have searched all the Indexes to no avail.   The date would be later than 1911.

Thank you,

BAC

[Girl Guide]

Was George living here in 1911 with his second wife and three children from his first marriage?  Not sure if I have the right George.

56 College St, Bristol, Gloucestershire - his occupation is given as Dock Labourer.

Is this his birth record?

PONTING, GEORGE       PITMAN 
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 11  Page 63

Still trying to find a death for him.

[Girl Guide]

There is this death which may be his:-

Deaths Sep 1918   
Ponting    George    72    Long Ashton    5c   621

Gives a birth year of 1846.  The only one that comes up between 1911 and 1939 for Somerset.

There doesn't appear to be a likely death for Gloucestershire.  Depends on whether his surname was recorded correctly.

[BAC3]

Girl Guide,

Thank you for the research.

I had noted the Long Ashton death in 1918 and for the moment, unless further details become available, I have assumed that entry refers to the actual George PONTING,   Long Ashton is quite near Bristol.

BAC3

[Girl Guide]

You may like to consider getting the death certificate.  £7 as a pdf from the GRO.