Charlotte Probin - What happened to you?

[ChrissieL]

Charlotte Probin/Probyn was my husband’s great aunt.
She was born on 14/7/1878 at Madeley, Staffordshire.
Her parents were James Probin and Mary Bellis.  By the time she was 7, her mother had died and her father remarried Ann Smith.  2 years later her father died and Charlotte appears on the 1891 census (RG/2151/94/41) living with her stepmother and siblings.
1895 she has an illegitimate son, James William Probin.
1901 census (RG13/3726/91/6).  She appears (as Charlotte Robyn on Ancestry) in Broughton, Lancashire working as a servant.
1902 She has another illegitimate son George Edward Probyn, registered in Chorlton.
After this she seems to disappear – Can anyone find her?

Regarding her sons:
James William Probin/Probyn
1901 – James is a boarder with the John H Poole and his wife Elizabeth
1911 – He is still with the family, although Elizabeth Poole is now a widow

George Edward Probin/Probyn is brought up by Charlotte’s sister Ada and her husband, Edward Watkin.  They emigrate to Canada in 1906 and are on the passenger list with Charlotte’s son named Eddie aged 3.

I would be really grateful if anyone could find Charlotte after 1902

Many thanks
Chris

[rosie99]

She is in Hale, Cheshire in 1911
Charlotte Prokyn on Ancestry

[ChrissieL]

She is in Hale, Cheshire in 1911
Charlotte Prokyn on Ancestry

Thank you so much Rosie99
I can't believe I missed that!  I can't find a marriage or a death for her though.

Thanks again
Chris

[Abt]

A Charlotte Probyn married Griffith jones in 1912 Wolverhampton.

1920 census for    Filmore Avenue, Scranton , Ward 5,Lackawanna , Pennsylvania USA.

Griffith Jones age 36 , welsh,
Charlotte Jones age 38, english,
Stanley age 6 b Pennsylvania
Ivor age 5 b Pennsylvania

there is a death certificate of  Charlotte Jones

Death At moses taylor hospital.
21st january 1920, scranton Pennsylvania

Age 37

Birth 14th July

Father James Probyn
Mother Mary Evans

Cause of death Pelvic Peritonitis

Date of Burial 23 January 1920.

On the census she says born circa  1883 but there were no Charlotte Probin/Probyn
born around that time in England she was the only one born between 1871 and 1904. Her birth registered in Newcastle under Lyme in 1878.

Sadly Stanley her son died in 1921.

By 1930 Ivor is with his father who had  remarried and had a stepson Robert and a daughter Dorothy and triplets born 1930 Alvin, Albert and Alfred.

[ChrissieL]

Thank you very much for that information. I am sure this must be my Charlotte Probin/Probyn. I think she has taken 5 years off her age, possibly because Griffith Jones is younger than her. Although her birth year isn't correct, the date of 14 July is correct.  Her father is named as James Probyn and that is correct too.  Her mother was Mary Bellis but she died when Charlotte was only 7.  Her stepmother sometimes used the name Evans so I'm sure this is the correct Charlotte.  Thank you again
Chris

[Ladyhawk]

Sadly Stanley her son died in 1921.

Stanley G Jones Age:   8
Birth 10 Nov 1913 Lackawanna
Death 11 Nov 1921 Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Father:   Griffith Jones born Wales
Mother:   Charlot M Probyn born England

Stanley G Jones
Birth 10 Nov 1913 Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Father:    Griffith Jones, Foreman born Wales
Mother:   Charlotte Probert born England

Griffith Jones
Petition Age:   36
Record Type:   Petition
Birth Date:   13 Nov 1884 Llandilo Wales
Marriage Place:   Pennsylvania
Arrival Date:   1912
Residence Place:   Pennsylvania
Petition Date:   16 Dec 1920
Petition Place:   Pennsylvania, USA
wife's name Charlotte born 4th July, now deceased
Child:   
Stanley Jones born Nov 10
William Jones born Jan 19
Court:   District Court
Record is smudged in places
Griffith arrived Jul 13 1912 on Ship Luitania

Edit to add

Ivor Jones Age:   25
Marriage Date:   5 Aug 1940
Marriage Place:   Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Father:   Griffiths Jones
Mother:   Charlotte Probyn
Spouse:   Bertha Jones

His burial Ivor William Jones
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38481297/ivor-william-jones

mother Charlotte's burial
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165124416/charlotte-jones

[ChrissieL]

Thank you Ladyhawk for that extra information.  Very interesting.  I could see on Ancestry that there were some documents from the USA.  Unfortunately I have got a worldwide subscription so I'm very grateful.  Good to see Griffith Jones date and place of birth - always useful with a Jones surname

Thanks again
Chris

[Ladyhawk]

Very interesting.  I could see on Ancestry that there were some documents from the USA. 

Unfortunately I have got a worldwide subscription so I'm very grateful. 

Good to see Griffith Jones date and place of birth - always useful with a Jones surname

Looking more closely at the petition record Griffith Jones' place of birth Llandrillo, Merionedd, Wales

This might be  Griffith Jones on 1891 census with his parents and siblings living Cadwst, Llandrillo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4T2S-5MM

Have you looked at family search as there are records you can view for Penn
example this one not checked for others

1940 US census Griffith Jones
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQZ8-VPJ

This might be  Griffith Jones on 1891 census with his parents and siblings living Cadwst, Llandrillo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4T2S-5MM - he has a sister named Ann

Ann Jane Jones Age:   31,  Llandrillo
Last Known Residence:   Llandrillo, Wales
Departure Port:   Liverpool, England
Arrival Date:   7 Apr 1920
Arrival Port:   New York, New York, USA
Final Destination:   Scranton, Pennsylvania
father   Wm. Jones Cadwrt, Llandrillo
Person in US:   G. W. Jones
Person in US Relationship:   Brother
Sibling:   G. W. Jones 160 S. Filmore Ave., Scranton (edit this was Griffith & Charlotte’s address in 1920)
Ship Name:   Carmania

Griffith Jones, locomotive fireman
Birth 13 Nov 1884
Residence Date:   1917-1918
Street Address:   160 S. Filmore
Residence Place:   Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Draft Board:   2
Physical Build:   Medium
Height:   Medium
Hair Colour:   Black
Eye Colour:   Grey
Relative:   Charlotte Mary Jones same address

Griffith Jones Age:   74, retired R.R.Engineer, died Pneumonia
Birth    13 Nov 1884 Wales
Death 5 Feb 1959 Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Father:   William Jones Mother:   Mary Jones
Spouse:   Elizabeth Purdy Jones
Buried Dunmore Cemetery

Griffith Jones
Birth 13 Nov 1884 Andrillo Mer, United Kingdom 
Father:   William Jones Mother:   Elizabeth Roberts
Notes:   Feb 1937: Name listed as GRIFFITH JONES

Ivor William Jones
Birth 3 Jan 1915 Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Residence    17 Apr 1950 East Liverpool, Columbiana, Ohio, USA
Wife Bertha Elizabeth, two children named (aged 5 & 2 years) address 346 Ogden Street, East Liverpool, Columbiana Ohio
his mother deceased father Griffith Jones 210 S.Hyde Park Ave Scranton, Penna

[ChrissieL]

Thank you once again Ladyhawk for the excellent information.  I am realising now that I haven't used the Familysearch site to its full potential.  It looks as though sister Ann decided to join the family in Pennsylvania. I will have a good look at Familysearch today to see if there is more information about the family
Many thanks
Chris