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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:28 BST (UK) »
I didn't see a birth in Irish records for and Esther O'Brien (or similar)- which is not to say it wasn't there, just that I couldn't find it. When Esther married in 1918, according to 1939 Register birthdate, she would have been about 42 years old- not impossible to have a son but late for a first-time mother.
Have you found any records which give her birthplace even as Ireland?

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However, there are hundreds and hundreds of railway accidents in the newspapers and without a specific time period it's quite hard to narrow them down. Also an accident might not necessarily have made the papers.
It's possible an incident was reported but no name mentioned or was in a newspaper not online.
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks for trying anyway. We assume the accident was in Ireland, maybe in the 1880's or thereabout.
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:31 BST (UK) »
We believe it was Ireland, and we understand she was brought up by nuns - that's all. Nothing definite
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:32 BST (UK) »
She doesnít seem to be in Neath in 1911.

The marriage certificate would perhaps give her fatherís name if she knew that. She would be in her 40s on marriage.

Do you have Frankís birth certificate?

There is a birth record 1914, Neath for Francis W Creek with motherís name  Burke.

Is that Frank?
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:34 BST (UK) »
There is also
1916 John Creek with motherís name OíBrien in 1916
Is that your family?
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:36 BST (UK) »
The reason I'm now questioning 'Ireland' as her birthplace is that a large number of Irish people settled in Cardiff/Swansea areas. When I was tracing my cousins family I found a census record that gave place of birth as "Cardiff, Ireland" and turned out that person was born in Cardiff to Irish parents.

Could this be Frank Creek killed WWII (age fits with 1914 birth)-
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2771288/FRANCIS%20WILLIAM%20CREEK/
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:43 BST (UK) »
There is also
1916 John E Creek with motherís name OíBrien in 1916
Is that your family?

This child died in the same quarter as birth.
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 23 May 21 21:47 BST (UK) »
We have never heard of John, but it is surely possible. They didn't marry until 1918 though
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Re: O'Brien killed on railway
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 May 21 22:34 BST (UK) »
Yes, we see the marriage year.
Frank must have been born before the marriage. His registration shows a motherís surname of Burke.

It would be best to get Frankís birth certificate to check the details and the marriage certificate too for the same reasons.
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