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Allen 1841 please
« on: Wednesday 26 May 21 09:30 BST (UK) »
Good morning all,
Having been working backwards in 1851 I have Josias Allen \(Lossie Allen) also (Louis)/ both wrong age 15 with sister Ann age 22  - Schedule 117, piece 1636, folio 320 pg 5.
1841, I have piece 1105, book 8, pg,20 Head of house Walter Allin (Walter Allen) but I can't find Jossias anywhere he would be about 5 so should be on a census somewhere. Ann is there which is only a guess it's the same Ann. I've tried just putting in Allen but can still not find him.
I've tried Familysearch, & FreeBMD but these Allens are hard to find.

Sorry to leave this with you but I've got to go to work now, back later. Thank you

Missmuddle

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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 09:59 BST (UK) »

Not that it helps much but he was baptised at Battle St Mary 21st Feb 1836 as
JONAS ALLEN - son of Walter and Harriett - farmer
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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 11:30 BST (UK) »
Marriage from SMI - Battle East Sussex
Walter Allen and Harriett Jones - Bach - Sp - both of the Parish
21st December 1824

You may have these already...from SFHG members only database. 

Baptisms at Battle St Mary
Parents  Walter and Harriett - Walter a Farmer

Walter - 21st August 1825

Ann Allen - 29th June 1828 - Extra notes - Thos ? Dean (sic)

Harriett Susanna - 27th May 1832

Harriett - 22nd February 1839 - died aged 6 months - buried 5th July 1839

Alfred - 14th June 1844 - Private baptism - Walter now a labourer - Alfred died age 11 w buried 9th August 1844

Walter Snr - buried 13th April 1854 age 56 - Battle Union
Harriett - buried 19th August 1844 age 41
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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins

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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 16:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Suey

That's fabulous thank you.
I couldn't find anything on Ancestry, I had Hannah as the mother not Harriet.
What would be a Private Baptism?

2 Harriet!  I had Walter sn death 1854 in the workhouse.

On the social history side, do you know what was going on in 1840's Battle? Illnesses, famine, or just normal sign of the times.

Thank you again
Missmuddle


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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 18:58 BST (UK) »
What would be a Private Baptism?

It would most likely have been a baptism conducted very soon after the birth if there was a risk that the child would not survive.

Philip
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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 19:15 BST (UK) »
What would be a Private Baptism?

It would most likely have been a baptism conducted very soon after the birth if there was a risk that the child would not survive.

Philip

Agree, little Alfred was only 11 weeks old when he died, he may actually have lived longer than expected.

Yes , regarding Walter, Battle Union was the workhouse.  In those days it was about the only place for someone to go if they were unwell, they usually had an infirmary of some description.  I guess by 1854 Walter was on his own and couldn’t be cared for at home.
All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins

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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 May 21 08:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you Suey, & everyone,

I don't belong to the SFHS but I guess there would be quite a bit of info on there.

I wonder why Jonas/Josias changed his name, I have his marriage cert. & all other census he is Josias.
I wonder find I will be able to find him now.

Thank you again for this info

Missmuddle

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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 May 21 16:27 BST (UK) »
If you have a lot of Sussex ancestors then it's worth the £15 (I think still this) for a years membership of SFHG which gives you access to all of their birth and burial parish record transcriptions.

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Re: Allen 1841 please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 May 21 17:55 BST (UK) »
HI artifis,

I don't know how much there will be, I've only just reached this stage & trying very hard to unravel & understand at the moment, I would just like to get the children of Walter & Harriett, & why I can't find Jonas on the 1841 census.
There don't appear to be any records of them on Familysearch or freebmd  ??? At the moment I'm tearing my hair out :-[

missmuddle