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Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« on: Wednesday 26 May 21 19:47 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm looking at Baptisms in St Peters, Liverpool in the year 1829.

Theres an Elizabeth Warton - Parents Isaac & Elizabeth Freeman
John Barlow - Parents John & Mary Clare
John Davies - Parents John & Margaret Brereton
Thomas Blakey - Parents John & Mary Vernon


And many others with different last names to the parents on the same page. I've never seen this before.

I wouldn't have thought so many of these are middle names. Were these children adopted or fostered or where the named 'parents' guardians or even god parents.

Looking forward to hearing some insight.

Thanks

Beverley



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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 19:50 BST (UK) »
Are you looking at the original record or a transcription?

I didn't think baptism registers showed a surname for the baptised child - it is generally inferred from the surname of the parents.

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 20:00 BST (UK) »
I can see a transcription on Lancashire opc

1829
Elizabeth Wharton Freeman - parents isaac Freeman and Elizabeth

There is a likely marriage 1818
Isaac Freeman and Elizabeth Walton
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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 20:04 BST (UK) »
Hi

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2575/images/4426104_00048?treeid=81209673&personid=372017062244&hintid=&queryId=749228b6e1917f99e8206de8356c9b33&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Zpx4024&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=15324465

Unsure if you guys can see with the link. It will not let me post a picture.

Deffo baptisms. Why were the baptised with a different last name to the parents?

Thanks


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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 20:14 BST (UK) »
Parish register on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9Y4-JSP5-X

Here we have some children baptized with second Christian names of Hodgson, Pellet, Blakey

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 20:15 BST (UK) »
I have a few in my tree, both male and female, who were given a family surname as a middle name.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 20:44 BST (UK) »
Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 21:43 BST (UK) »
I have quite a lot with Surnames as a middle name. One set of g-g-grandparents gave ten  of their eleven children Surnames as middle names, those of various people who married into the family, only my great grandmother had two normal names Sarah Ann. It seems to be quite common in Kent.

Sometimes middle Surnames are those of notable local people, employers or benefactors. You will also find children given the names of battles, very popular after the Boer War.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 May 21 23:35 BST (UK) »
Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.