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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 May 21 02:05 BST (UK) »
In the link you gave, every child has no surname, and similarly every father. eg right underneath Elizabeth Wharton (Freeman) is

William - William and Mary Taylor.

As mentioned above, the child's surname is assumed to be the same as the parents, unless indicated otherwise. On the two pages only 24 children have more than one name.
Howie (Riccarton Ayrshire)
McNeil/ McNeill (Argyll)
Main (Airdrie Lanarkshire)
Grant (Lanarkshire and Bo'ness)
More (Lanarkshire)
Ure (Polmont)
Colligan (Lanarkshire)
Drinnan (New Zealand)

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 May 21 06:03 BST (UK) »
Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.

I can only see a transcription but Lancs opc shows him as John  Gorstidge Stout (not Gostridge)

Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.

Yes, I thought that at first but as others have shown, that isn’t the case in the other baptisms.

I wonder if he is in other records?
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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 27 May 21 08:45 BST (UK) »
What you are viewing on Ancestry are the Bishops Transcripts of the Baptism Register

If you search in the Parish Registers
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2196/

then they are in the usual pre-printed columns format 

for your first example the PR shows:

Child's Christian Name  Elizabeth Wharton
Parents Names
Christian Isaac & Elizabeth
Surname Freeman

I haven't checked the other examples in the PR.

Boo


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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 27 May 21 12:48 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Confirmation of Bpt John Gorstidge Stout can be view in Parish Register 13.3.1825
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6257-DBC?i=211&cat=559776

Searching for Gorstidge in any records produces a number of records, evidence the surname exists. The name of Gorstidge does not have to be a relative, it could be honouring a friend.

Grace & John Stout produced other children prior to 1825 and appear to have been married, so JGS
Was not illegitimate.


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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 27 May 21 18:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your comments and helping me out.

I understand now, makes perfect sense.

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 May 21 18:33 BST (UK) »
Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.

I can only see a transcription but Lancs opc shows him as John  Gorstidge Stout (not Gostridge)

Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.

Yes, I thought that at first but as others have shown, that isn’t the case in the other baptisms.

I wonder if he is in other records?

Spelling mistake ;D he according to someone's tree on Ancestry moved to New Zealand and called himself John Gorstidge if it's the same guy.

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Re: Odd name pattern on Baptism records - Liverpool 1829
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 May 21 23:14 BST (UK) »
Find my past,    National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
 has a record for a Jno Garison Stout, born 13 December 1824, mother Grace
No father recorded, so may have died.

He was attending the Blue Coat School, Wavetree, Liverpool admitted 6th January 1834.

The headings are
Name,
 Age from certificate of birth or Baptism
Date admitted
Name of parent or other competent person, signed by themselves as resigning the future disposal of the children to the trustees until they reach the age of 21 years witnessed by one of the masters.

Occupation -not given
Residence - cannot read begins with Pet?

The name of the school is given by FindMyPast, cannot see the an actual page where this is written other info have seen so not from a transcript.

His mother may have died September quarter 1847, West Derby

They should both be on 1841 census, though not living together.

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