William Theodore Smith/Marshall.

[zetlander]

Hi 

Are you sure that William Theodore does not have DNA connection with your grandfather?   

You ask about his mum, but what about his dad , the commercial traveller?   


JM.

As certain as I can be no genetic link between William T and his Joseph Smith.

Martha wanted to keep her pregnancy a secret and moved to an isolated farm in North and ger baby adopted by the Smiths - I presume monies were involved.

I focused on Martha M Marshall (nee Anngle) as I thought with such an unusual surname her marriage would lead to William Marshall the commercial traveller.

Of course there's the possibility that William was the father but wasn't actually married to Martha ??

Thanks.

BIRTH

17 September 1879 at Pendyffryn Llanfair Ruthin Denbighshire

William Theodore (boy) born.

Father - William Marshall - Commercial Traveller.

Mother - Martha Maud Marshall - formerly Anngle.

The informant was Joseph Smith of Pendyffryn Llanfair.
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The story is that Martha Marshall concealed her pregnancy  and moved to North Wales (from Manchester ) to have her baby.   The baby was left/adopted with Joseph Smith and his family and the child William Theodore took the surname Smith and was brought up by the Smith family.  Don't think he ever saw his mother again but it is said he received a birthday present from her each year.
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William Theodore Smith/Marshall was my grandparents brother and I have all his details.
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But who was Martha Maud Marshall (nee Anngle?)     Anngle may have been a mis-spelling or even a wrong name as Martha wanted to keep her pregnancy a secret.

As far as I know the Smith/Marshall families were not related.

Thanks.

[Comberton]

A couple of things in case they are relevant.
Birth
William Marshall
Jun 1846 Chorlton
mmn Aungle

His parents marriage ?
16th December 1843 Manchester
William Marshall commission agent father Thomas a bookkeeper
Sarah Eleanor Aungle father James a gentleman

Sarah Eleanor died 1894 Cheshire

1841 census Chorlton Green
William Marshall 30 Agent
579/10/14  book 13

James Aungle 1757-1836, will mentions daughter Sarah Eleanor, her baptism 1803 parents James Calvert Aungle and Sarah, father  of Sarah Eleanor a farmer of Tottenham.

Also a different William Marshall
1881 census Chorlton upon Medlock
William Marshall lodger single 45 commercial traveller Glasgow

[zetlander]

A couple of things in case they are relevant.
Birth
William Marshall
Jun 1846 Chorlton
mmn Aungle

His parents marriage ?
16th December 1843 Manchester
William Marshall commission agent father Thomas a bookkeeper



Sarah Eleanor Aungle father James a gentleman

Sarah Eleanor died 1894 Cheshire

1841 census Chorlton Green
William Marshall 30 Agent
579/10/14  book 13

James Aungle 1757-1836, will mentions daughter Sarah Eleanor, her baptism 1803 parents James Calvert Aungle and Sarah, father  of Sarah Eleanor a farmer of Tottenham.

Also a different William Marshall
1881 census Chorlton upon Medlock
William Marshall lodger single 45 commercial traveller Glasgow

Thanks Comberton - I will see if I can link things up with the surname Aungle - it's the best 'clue' we've had to date.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Here's the William Marshall of 1846 and a court case involving his spinster Aungle aunt

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3044555/3044557/10/aungle

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Another report  of the case refers to a Rev Broughton SMith, relative of the deceased

[Mabel Bagshawe]

One thing I will note is that between 1871 and 1881 William seems to have separated from his wife Agnes. I'm not sure of her maiden name or where she went. By 1891 William is listed as married but living with Annie Elias and a number of Elias children, who have the middle name Marshall

I'm wondering if William Theodore is his son by some relationship and a cock and bull story about the mother's surname and maiden name was created, using his family names?

I;m also suspicious that one of the stories said William started the case as Marianne Aungle left the residue of her estate to his mother, who had since died. However Sarah E Marshall is alive and well in 1891, and living next door to William. The reports also mention money being left to his children - without Agnes' maiden name I'm struggling with those

[Comberton]

This account names Rev. Broughton Smythe as nephew of Marianne and cousin of William.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000081%2f18870322%2f004&stringtohighlig

Liverpool Mercury 22nd March 1887

[Comberton]

[zetlander]

Thanks for the replies -
it looks as if there's a bit of ducking and diving going on - if William and Martha Marshall were the parents as the Birth Certificate suggests why was Martha hiding the pregnancy?

The surname Aungle is interesting and I'll do some more research on it.