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Offline CharlotteCollins00

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Help to understand a RAF record
« on: Thursday 27 May 21 17:27 BST (UK) »
I have my Grandfathers RAF record (attached below) from 1947-1952 however I am having trouble understanding what some of it means and have a few questions.

The forms they refer to is there a record of these forms or will they have been destroyed?
What documents will he have needed during these times to sign up?
Would they have ensured his next of kins were who he said they were or would they have taken his word for it?

I know my grandfather wasn't best behaved so please don't worry about revealing what some of it may have been!! ;D

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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 May 21 19:50 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while longer for somebody who can read the handwriting.   To my mind it looks like your grandfather was conscripted nby the government and was trying to get out of the forces.

My OH was also conscripted and I know the ground force airmen started at the bottom  as AC2; rising to AC1; (AC = Aircraftman);
then promotion to LAC = Leading Aircraftsman; 
then promotion to SAC = Senior Aircraftman.

I can't interpret what job he had - my OH was a fireman putting out fires plus other jobs; for instance I have a photo of him driving a massive tractor flattening the ground in Malawi.

I have my OH's record book, which is blank, except for an entry in the back which states what sort of job he could do in civvy street.

P.S.  Due to the fact that post war the British government needed to conscript our young men to replace those leaving the forces, they needed to ask other nationalities to take their place in civvy street making goods that we could sell at home and abroad, thus the government could expect the civilian workers to pay taxes into the government's coffers.  They paid peanuts to the conscripted forces men, thus those personnel didn't contribute much to the country's coffers.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 May 21 20:12 BST (UK) »
The second record shows that he was absent from duty for 3 days, 2 hours and 25 minutes for which he seems to have been punished by detention for 7 days (that would be locked up in the guardroom) and generally involves a lot of being shouted at and marching about under escort. Then there are 2 offences of being absent without leave for which he was confined to camp for 14 days. This is followed by 3 offences of being drunk which resulted in more being confined to camp as well as a forfeit of pay. There another 2 occurrences of being confined to camp for 7 and 14 days. The odd thing is the dates all seem to mixed up. He may have been  'working his ticket', being naughty in the hope the RAF would discharge him.

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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 May 21 20:28 BST (UK) »
The 4th record shows he started his engagement in Belfast and on 24 Sept 1948 he went to Egypt and soon after was admitted to a hospital at Suez but does not say why. By the 10th of Aug 1949 he was in Malta and 2 more trips to Egypt, he finished his engagement at Hullavington and was transferred to the reserves. His trade was Armament assistant. His conduct assessment is a little odd bearing in mind how many times he was in trouble because it says for the first 2 years it was very good followed 2 years of just good. His trade proficiency was moderate, satisfactory, and then 2 fairly goods


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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 May 21 20:48 BST (UK) »
Rather than being conscripted (which was for 2 years) he has signed up for 5 years as a Regular, from 1947 to 1952. This results in his pay being double what a National Serviceman got.


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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 May 21 21:05 BST (UK) »
Rather than being conscripted (which was for 2 years) he has signed up for 5 years as a Regular, from 1947 to 1952. This results in his pay being double what a National Serviceman got.

You could sign up for as many years as you wanted.  My OH signed up for three  years = more money per annum than signing up for two years..

P.S. the brother of my sister in law signed up in the army for 25 years.  Then in the 1960s he was one of the thousands of higher paid personnel who were given their marching orders out of the forces due to the government pf the day needing to dismiss a quarter of a million personnel. 
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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 May 21 21:31 BST (UK) »
I was told that to be trained on aero-engines I had to sign on for 5 years plus 4 years on the Reserve, because following basic training the course would take almost a year & the RAF wanted a return on its investment.

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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 May 21 00:05 BST (UK) »
It looks like your grandfather re-mustered (changed trades) on 1/1/1949 from ach/grd (aircraft hand/ground) to flt/ord, which if it means flight orderly could be cabin crew.

Backing this up is the comment at the end of the muster columns - 'overall conduct assessment calculated IAW (in accordance with) DOM (Aircrew)(RAF) EI's' etc.

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Re: Help to understand a RAF record
« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 May 21 09:54 BST (UK) »
Re the original question, probably the only papers your grandfather had to produce were his calling-up papers which would give all the details required by the Forces.

I don't think any other information such as next of kin would be checked.