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Town in South Africa Required
« on: Saturday 29 May 21 03:59 BST (UK) »
This is a portion of the marriage registration of my great-great-grandparents who were married in Port Elizabeth, South Africa in 1847.

My gg-grandmother's residence was Uitenhage but try as I might, I cannot work out my gg-grandfather's town/city at that time.  I have tried looking up every town back in 1847 for South Africa without success.

Can anyone assist, please?

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Re: Town in South Africa Required
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 May 21 07:55 BST (UK) »
The first name looks a bit like Ithal(l)a.

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 May 21 08:48 BST (UK) »
The first name looks a bit like Ithal(l)a.

That's what I thought too, but after finding the full image, I think it could start with J, as in the grooms first name:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-89ZS-H?cc=2821281

Also, he is using the = sign when he divides a word up to fit in the columns, such as spin = ster, so it could very well be one long name.

Another one written by the same person for more letter comparisons:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-89CR-Z?cc=2821281&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6ZHB-F1T4

This link is to a dictionary of old and present place names in South Africa;  the alphabetical listings start around page 52.  So far, I can't match anything with any certainty (but I admit I didn't look that hard!):
http://www0.sun.ac.za/taalsentrum/assets/files/Hulpbronne%20vir%20Taalpraktisyns/SaPlaceNamesDictionary(1987).pdf

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Re: Town in South Africa Required
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 May 21 08:53 BST (UK) »
I forgot to mention.... while cruising through the records trying to find other entries by the same writer, there was a substantial number of groom residence's that were not from South Africa. (Mainly the UK, but a good scattering around the globe).


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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 May 21 10:26 BST (UK) »
It ends -kamma (which means 'water'), and it may also begin with K.
Krakakamma ? An alternative spelling of Kragga kamma ?

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 May 21 11:06 BST (UK) »
I see

Kraka
Kamma
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 May 21 11:57 BST (UK) »
There are lots of Google hits for "Kraka Kamma"
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Re: Town in South Africa Required
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 May 21 12:49 BST (UK) »
The first name looks a bit like Ithal(l)a.
I agree that it does look a bit like that.  However, my original thoughts were like bbart in that
I think it could start with J, as in the grooms first name.
Also, he is using the = sign when he divides a word up to fit in the columns, such as spin = ster, so it could very well be one long name.

I thank him for the links to the different names, but I had no success until Kragga Kamma was suggested by Bookbox, Gadget and ShaunJ. 

I found this "Origin of the name and early history The name Kragga Kamma is of Khoikhoi origin and stems from the Gonoqua tribe. Its earliest form it was called // Kraxa/kamma (// kara – meaning pebbles in the river and kamma". 

The more I read about the history, I also think it could be Kraxakamma or Krakakamma as it was variously known at the time of James and Mary.  Along with the type of land there at the time, I do become more convinced I have found my answer  :D

Thank you, everyone - particularly Bookbox
It ends -kamma (which means 'water'), and it may also begin with K.
Krakakamma ? An alternative spelling of Kragga kamma ?

Your assistance was much appreciated  :D