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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 31 May 21 03:54 BST (UK) »
i looked at the newspaper notices that Cass was kind enough to share. It looks like they confirm what we know about James from St Peters and his wife Mary Jane Hackett and their children, Joyce, Neville and Grace. Thatís a good thing.

The continuing problem is the notices donít prove or disprove that he is the James Iím looking for - the one who was born in Frogmore in 1881 with parents Patrick Ryan and Mary Payne.

I might have to get his Marriage Certificate or Death Certificate to be sure one way or the other.

Any other thoughts are much appreciated.

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 31 May 21 05:52 BST (UK) »
If you need to choose between his marriage certificate and his death certificate, may I suggest that his marriage certificate would include information that he provided.  NSW BDMs can be quite detailed, but the family history sections of those official records are informant driven, so first hand information on a marriage certificate should be more reliable than details on a death certificate.

Do you have the electoral roll information from the NSW Colonial era?  -
NSW 1878 Electoral Roll THE LACHLAN,  Burrowa Police District
Patrick RYAN, residence Frogmore.
There were about 45 men with the surname RYAN, enrolled from that Police District.
Abraham PAYNE, freehold, Burrowa River
Henry PAYNE, freehold, Burrowa River

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678243.0 The Geographical Names Board in the  1950s etc has Frogmore listed as:
Name : Frogmore
Parish : Alton
County : King
Land District : Boorowa
Pastures Protection District : Young
Local Government Authority : Boorowa Shire

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 31 May 21 06:34 BST (UK) »
Sands Sydney Suburban 1910 NEWTOWN
At
257 King St, Newtown,  J.P. RYAN, a butcher.

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 31 May 21 09:45 BST (UK) »
Maybe worth kindly requesting a lookup (often contains certificates and other valuable info) the next time Ros is at the Archives
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703011.243

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW112384527
NRS-13660-37-13997-Series 4_468099 | James Patrick Ryan - Date of Death 12/06/1957, Granted on 04/11/1957

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW111141710
NRS-13660-42-17353-Series 4_541832 | Mary Jane Ryan - Date of Death 16/01/1962, Granted on 18/06/1962

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 31 May 21 23:04 BST (UK) »
Happy to photograph the 2 probates for you Carmel   :)   I'm planning on going to the Archives early next week.

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 02:01 BST (UK) »
Hi JM

Thanks for the good advice on the Marriage Certificate. No, I havenít seen 1878 Electoral Roll you mentioned. Itís likely to be him. Patrick Ryan and Mary Payne lived in the area at that time. He was a Copper Smelter in the mines. I think it might be worth putting up all their childrenís details. These children are the siblings of the James Patrick Ryan (born 1881) Iím looking for. I might be lucky and find a distant cousin who remembers stories about Uncle Jim Ryan.

James Patrick RYANíS PARENTS:
Mary PAYNE born Spring Valley, NSW in 1849. Died Parramatta, NSW in 1930.
Patrick RYAN born Goulburn area, NSW in 1849. Died Petersham, NSW in 1918.
Married at Sts Peter and Paulís Cathedral, Goulburn, NSW on 20 Nov 1871.

CHILDREN of PATRICK RYAN and MARY PAYNE:
Mary Alice born 1872, Currawang Copper Mines, NSW. Died 1880, Frogmore, NSW. Died as a child.
Elizabeth Ann born 1874, Currawang, NSW. Died 1954, Lewisham, NSW. Married Evan Morgan.
William born 1876, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1940, Balmain, NSW. Married Grace McGee.
John Ernest born 1878, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1881, Frogmore, NSW. Died as a child.
JAMES PATRICK born 1881, Frogmore, NSW. Died: Unknown (after 1953 likely).
Agnes born 1883, Spring Valley, NSW. Died 1920, Summer Hill, NSW. Married Edward John Whittington.
Annie born 1886, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1967, Ryde, NSW. Unmarried.
Evelyn Josephine born 1888, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1963, Rydalmere, NSW. Married Alfred Thomas Eyles.
John Cecil born 1890, Burraga, NSW. Died 1944, Sydney, NSW. Married Lucy Heylen.

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 02:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros

Thatís very kind of you to offer to photograph the Probate details. It will be a big help. Let me know about fees.

Thanks
Carmel

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 02:10 BST (UK) »
There are no fees Carmel  :)   It's my pleasure to help.

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Re: James Patrick RYAN - born Frogmore, NSW in 1881.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 02:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros

Thanks again for taking the time.

Carmel