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Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« on: Monday 31 May 21 07:27 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

I want to understand these various entries.  My very early Chatfields are from Ditchling.

Any help appreciated.

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Aotearoa where we have massive flooding in and around Canterbury.
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 05:50 BST (UK) »
I have done my best with three entries to give you a sense of what they say:

Houndene:

Robert Chatfilde holds 1 parcel of wooded land containing
by estimation 20 acres or more called Deneland in Newicke
lately Ersfildes and at one time Michells by rent 13 August 21 Elizabeth/
14 June 28 Elizabeth/38 Elizabeth             2 shillings
(presumably the rent)

Nutbourne:

Nicholas Chatfilde 27 July: 13 January holds for himself and his heirs 1 tenement and
one virgate of land called Crowell containing 29 acres lately Barnards 16 September
9 January and 22 September 4 Elizabeth: by rent            8 shillings


Ditchling (first entry):

Robert Chatfilde 35 Elizabeth holds one virgate of land parcel of those
lands called Bedells lately Haselgroves by rent 29 Henry 8/10 Henry 8 
           4 shillings 1 pence 1 halfpence


Where land is said to be lately [name] the name is most likely to be the former holder.  So my interpretation for the Houndene entry is that Robert Chatfield's landholding was previously held by Ersfilde and before that by Michell.

I'm not sure what the dates signify.  They could be dates on which payments of rent were made; or dates of grants/mentions in the (presumed) Court Rolls; or something else.

CORRECTION:

Initially omitted from transcript.

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 06:01 BST (UK) »
Many many thanks.  I really had no idea.  I must look at iook at one again to see if I can make any sense of them now.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh


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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 06:11 BST (UK) »
Bronwen, I have made a small correction to the Nutbourne entry.

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 06:23 BST (UK) »
Many thanks.

With this one:
Robert Chatfilde 35 Elizabeth holds one virgate

Does this mean Robert Chatfilde ageed 35 and Elizabeth, I must say I have never heard of a virgate and have looked that up.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 07:17 BST (UK) »
This is intriging and I am really looking for information pruely from interest. 

What years are you talking about with this record?

Given the numbers followed by Elizabeth and once by Henry, could the entries refer to the years of Elizabeth1 reign or of Henry's reign?  I have seen something similar in other wills.
e.g.
 6th year of Elizabeth's reign.  (She did reign long enough to have all those various numbers as years of her reign.)
8-10th years of Henry's reign.

No sure - just asking.

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 07:24 BST (UK) »
With this one:
Robert Chatfilde 35 Elizabeth holds one virgate

Does this mean Robert Chatfilde ageed 35 and Elizabeth, I must say I have never heard of a virgate and have looked that up.

No, it means that in the 35th year of Queen Elizabeth Robert held the land described.

All these dates are in the form of regnal years.  So 35 Elizabeth (the thirty-fifth year of the reign of Elizabeth I) was partly in 1592 and partly in 1593.

The regnal year depends on the date of the monarch's accession to the throne.  Unless we have the day part of a regnal date, we can't say exactly which calendar year is meant.

I use this calculator when decoding regnal years:

http://aulis.org/Calendar/Regnal_Years.html

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 07:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks I get that now.  Thanks for the website too.
I think Wiggy your questions have also been answered. 

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 June 21 08:11 BST (UK) »
 Hooray - I remembered correctly.    :)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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