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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 23:24 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

I have two of these that I absolutely want transcribed.  I am attaching them, of course I have had a go with the information Horsleydown sent but to little avail.

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 06:04 BST (UK) »
Roughly translated we have...

1569:

John Chatfilde holds a third part of the aforesaid virgate called Lofilde

containing by estimation 40 acres by rent just as during 34 Henry 8 11 April 1 Elizabeth / 15 Henry 7

Free holder under the parish of Westmeston



Note:

I'm not sure I have ...just as during... correct.

I took the contractions to be:  ...p(ro)ut p(er)q(ue)...

With luck someone will correct me if necessary.


1597:

The same Nicholas holds 1 granary and half a virgate of land containing 50 acres

called Chatfelds by rent 9 Henry 8 / 39 Elizabeth / 15 Henry 7

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 06:47 BST (UK) »
Great, many thanks for doing those two for me.
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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 13:07 BST (UK) »
I took the contractions to be:  ...p(ro)ut p(er)q(ue)...

Not that it makes any material difference, but I believe it's ...p(ro)ut p(atet) ..., meaning 'just as appears' (at the given dates, referring back to other entries).

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 14:40 BST (UK) »
Not that it makes any material difference, but I believe it's ...p(ro)ut p(atet) ...

Thanks for clarifying.  I see now that prout patet is part of standard legal terminology (such as prout patet per recordum).

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 14:48 BST (UK) »
Not that it makes any material difference, but I believe it's ...p(ro)ut p(atet) ...

Thanks for clarifying.  I see now that prout patet is part of standard legal terminology (such as prout patet per recordum).

Yes, exactly. Extracted from Adriano Cappelli, ed., Dizionario di abbreviature latine ed italiane (6th edn, Milan, 1987).

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 14:56 BST (UK) »
An excellent resource, thank you.

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Re: Chatfield listed in The book of John Rowe
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 21:05 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you both for clarifying that.

Nga mihi
Bronwen
Aotearoa
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh