Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s

[NevilleTB]

I have hit a brick wall in tracing further back than my great grandparents. They arrived in Australia from Ireland in the late 1800s. The great grandparents were James Joseph Moran and Ann Moran (born Stafford) They were born in Ireland, possibly in Cork.

My grandmother was Francis Maria Moran born 1894. At the time they lived in Paddington in Sydney. There were a number of siblings including Hugh, Kevin and Patricia. Not sure of other names. Although the family were strict Catholics, Kevin who was the youngest became a CofE Minister.

I have exhausted any sources I can find. Can anyone suggest another path around the brick wall?

[Dundee]

Welcome to Rootschat 

James and Annie's marriage certificate should have the names of both sets of parents and fathers' occupations, as well as ages and birthplaces for the bride and groom.

557/1891
MORAN, JAMES J
STAFFORD, ANNIE
SYDNEY

https://www.nsw.gov.au/topics/family-history-search

Debra 

[Dundee]

My grandmother was Francis Maria Moran born 1894. At the time they lived in Paddington in Sydney. There were a number of siblings including Hugh, Kevin and Patricia. Not sure of other names.

You can search for the births of James and Annie's children - I can see 9 births registered, all in Paddington.  Two died as children.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/topics/family-history-search

Debra 

[trish1120]

James 1919 death reg does not seem to name Parents;
Anns does;
 MORAN ANN 12849/1926 JOHN/MARY BOWRAVILLE

Trish

[Dundee]

The eldest son James Joseph was KIA in 1917.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=7986265

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1456933/JAMES%20JOSEPH%20MORAN/

MORAN - Killed in action, Bullecourt, May 1917, (previously reported missing), Private James Joseph Moran, 17th Batt., dearly loved eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. J. J. Moran, Hopewell-street, Paddington,
aged 21 years. R.I.P.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15778852

Debra 

[Dundee]

The two children died within a few days of each other.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237367839

MORAN - September 3rd, at No. 9 Windsor-st., Paddington, Roger Ambrose, aged 4 years, and on September 7, at 30 Spicer-st., Woollahra, Kathleen Elizabeth, aged 10 years and 6 months, beloved children of James and Annie Moran. Suffer little children to come unto Me.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14408673

MORAN - The Friends of Mr. and Mrs. JAMES MORAN are kindly requested to attend the Funeral
of their dearly beloved eldest DAUGHTER, Kathleen Elizabeth, to move from the residence of her aunt, Mrs. Gaynor, No. 30 Spicer-street, Woollahra, at 9 o'clock THIS (Monday) MORNING, for the Waverley Cemetery.

Sarah GAYNOR was actually James' aunt.  Her obituary:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/108254078

Marriage

681/1856
GAYNOR, JOHN
MORAN, SARAH
SYDNEY

Debra 

[Dundee]

Sarah MORAN arrived in 1854 on the Araminta with her sister Eliza.

Eliza MORAN, 25, Housemaid, native of Wicklow, Co. Wicklow, parents James and Jane living at Bray, Co. Wicklow, RC, can read and write, no relations in the colony.

Sarah MORAN, 23, Laundress and Dairymaid, native of Glendalough, Co. Wicklow.  'Ditto' from parents onward.

I cannot see a baptism for Sarah, but I think that this a sister, (Sarah later named a daughter Lucy).

Lucy MORAN
Baptism Date:    20 Oct 1830
Baptism Place:    Glendalough, Wicklow, Ireland
Diocese:    Dublin
Father:    James MORAN
Mother:    Jane LYONS

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633413#page/65/mode/1up

Debra 

[Dundee]

James 1919 death reg does not seem to name Parents;
Anns does;
 MORAN ANN 12849/1926 JOHN/MARY BOWRAVILLE

Trish

I don't think that is her in Bowraville?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60809265/anne-moran

Debra 

[trish1120]

Trust me for taking deaths from a Tree