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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 13:51 BST (UK) »
Here she is, it took awhile!

Sep 1942

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17813924

MORAN - The Relatlves and Friends of the late ANNIE MORAN are invited to attend her Funeral to leave our private Chapel, 401 Pacific Hlghway, Crows Nest, THIS AFTERNOON at 1.15 o'clock for the Catholic Cemetery, Botany.

MORAN - The Relatives and Friends of Miss MONA MORAN and Messrs JACK, KEVIN, HUGH and LES MORAN and Mr. and Mrs H SETTREE are Invited to attend the Funeral of their dearly loved MOTHER Annie Moran. For details see above notlce.

MORAN, ANNIE
20827/1942
Father: JOSEPH
Mother: SARA ANN
NORTH SYDNEY

This looks like her mother:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238517254

5 Aug 1895

THE Friends of JAMES and ANNIE MORAN are respectfully Invited to attend the Funeral of their beloved mother, Sarah A. Stafford; to move from 49 Yurong-st, Woolloomooloo. THIS (MONDAY) AFTERNOON. at 2.40 to Waverley Cemetery.

STAFFORD SARAH A
7196/1895
Father: ANTHONY
Mother: ANN
SYDNEY

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 14:06 BST (UK) »
Annie STAFFORD was born in Sydney and so was her mother Sarah.

Birth

STAFFORD, ANNIE
3166/1868
Father: JOSEPH J
Mother: SARAH A
GLEBE

Marriage

611/1865
STAFFORD,  JOSEPH JOHN
ELLIOTT, SARAH A
SYDNEY

Birth

ELLIOT SARAH A
3275/1843 V18433275 27A
Father: ANTHONY
Mother: ANN

Anthony and Ann's immigration record:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LHJ-V9

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 14:58 BST (UK) »
Correspondence in James Jnr's WW1 record shows that his father was still alive in 1923 and have just spotted him on electoral rolls with Annie and son Kevin in Petersham in 1930, and Newtown in 1933.  He is not with them in 1935.

MORAN, JAMES J
8144/1933
Father: ANDREW
Mother: MARY
NEWTOWN

His funeral notice is really poorly OCR'd.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16971916

MORAN - The relatives and friends of Mrs Annie Moran and Family (late of Paddington) are kindly invited to attend the funeral of her beloved husband and their dear father James Joseph, to leave T. Dixon's funeral parlours, this Thursday afternoon at 2 o'clock for Catholic Cemetery, Botany.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175068861/annie-moran

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175068893/james-joseph-moran

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 15:19 BST (UK) »
James' father Andrew MORAN died in 1898, more family to investigate here.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14172148

MORAN, ANDREW
3930/1898
Father: JAMES J
Mother: JANE
WOOLLAHRA

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218656532/andrew-moran

Wife Mary

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218656529/mary-moran

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 03 June 21 00:29 BST (UK) »
WOW!!! Thanks so much Dundee and Trish. When I looked this morning I had no expectations of the amount of information you both found. I only started putting together a tree a few months ago and still learning where to go for information and how to search for it. Any tips you can give me as to how you found all this information would be appreciated. I have mainly relied on MyHeritage where I am building the tree, Google searches and Trove.

You are probably well aware, but I am finding trees just duplicate other trees and often the results are dubious. I am learning from my mistakes. This website seems to be a gold mine for people new to genealogy such as myself. Hopefully, you can teach me a few skills I have yet to find.

I will follow the leads you have provided over the next day or so and report back on what I find.

Neville


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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 03 June 21 11:05 BST (UK) »
Excellent work Debra ;D
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 03 June 21 13:49 BST (UK) »
Still putting it all together. Just amazing work Debra. I have no idea how you found all this information. Are you a Covid contact tracer??? ;) From what I can see, James probably came to Australia first, and Annie followed. She was travelling as Moran, so was married, and with Eliza who may have been her sister-in-law. Still working on that theory. I now have to trace James arrival.

I have a few questions about what you provided. The post you did at 13.10 (what were you doing up at that hour???) did not have a link to the immigration record, and also I am not sure, and have trouble deciphering the link you provided. What is the Glendalough record? I have trouble reading it.

There is one interesting name that I remember from my grandparents. Arawata which was the name of the boat that brought Annie, was also the name of my grandfather's family home on the Central Coast at Empire Bay. There was some connection between the Moran family and the Settree family. Francis Maria, my grandmother, married Robert Harold Settree. Somehow the families knew one another from their trip to Australia. I suspect it may have been through Captain William Morrow Settree but I need to do more digging. Perhaps James came out on his boat.

I did find a list of passengers on the Araminta and James was not on the boat.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12957269

Debra, you have been an enormous help. I cannot thank you enough. I will keep you posted as I unravel the mystery further. I am hoping to do some more tomorrow.

Neville

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Re: Tracing Irish ancestors from the 1800s
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 June 21 15:11 BST (UK) »

 What is the Glendalough record? I have trouble reading it.

It's a baptism register from Glendalough Catholic parish. Images of many registers of Catholic parishes are viewable free on the National Library of Ireland website.
Catholic Parish Registers at the National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/about
Baptism register began 1807, marriage register began 1808.
The image is faint. I enlarged it and adjusted contrast to read it.
Sponsors (godparents) were Esther Ward (?) and Thomas Moran. Thomas Moran would likely have been the child's uncle but may have been another relative.

Earliest registers in the collection for Bray parish date from 1768 which is very early for R.C. registers in Ireland. It has only a few entries and seems to include other parishes. Other Bray registers are baptisms 1792-1821 and 1822-1856 and marriage registers for the same span of years. There's also a marriage register for Little Bray 1866-1901.

Bray is a coastal town, south of Dublin, the capital city of Ireland. Glendalough is inland.
Glendalough is an ancient settlement. St. Kevin founded a monastery there in the 6th century. It's a beautiful place, popular with tourists. There was lead mining 1825-1957. (I listened to a radio programme about the mining last year which included an interview with a former miner.)
Glendalough Heritage Forum
https://glendalough.wicklowheritage.org
Website has a brief history. Menu includes Glendalough Graveyard Survey.

Irish Genealogy Toolkit has guidance for researching Irish ancestors.
https://irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 05 June 21 03:31 BST (UK) »
I have been doing some more digging and come up with a timeline. Unfortunately, it is too big to post in one file so I have divided it into three. I will spread it over three posts. Still a few gaps and inconsistencies but slowly coming together thanks to those who have provided sources.