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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 June 21 07:42 BST (UK) »
The marriage in 1848 info came from Ancestry in London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 > Tower Hamlets > Saint Dunstan and All Saints > 1848 has a James Tonkin of full age, widower, blacksmith of Stepney son of Enoch Tonkin, blacksmith married Jemima Stephens of full age, spinster of Stepney daughter of George Stephens, tailor 15th October 1848 at the Parish Church of Stepney
Witnesses - Jane(?) Budding Barber and Ethiel(?) Price”
The question is "was James really a widower or was that an attempt to cover up the births out of wedlock?"

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 June 21 08:14 BST (UK) »
Here is a snip from the marriage.   George's occupation
Yes it can be read as TAILOR, as in its capital letter matches the capital letter of the GROOM but NOT the capital letter of the groom's father's surname.   
Yes it can be read as SAILOR as its capital letter matches the capital letter of George's surname and of the capital letter in Smith immediately above
Yes, it can be read as JAILOR as its capital letter matches the capital letter of the given name of the  marriage numbered 66(JABEZ, a Biblical name) and it also matches the capital letter of the bride's given name, (Adding, in marriage numbered 64 i.e. in the marriage with George as father of the bride, as in George the focus of this thread). 

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 June 21 08:23 BST (UK) »
1848 .... so during the reign of Queen Victoria when her husband was very much still alive.    May I mention that in New South Wales and in many of the British colonies, that a Widow was often simply a female with children to care for, but without a husband to support her.  The husband may have died, but he may have quit the marriage and moved to another colony, or he may have been left behind when the female quit the marriage .... or either of them may have been convicted of a criminal offence and been sentenced to transportation beyond the seas....  Is it likely that a Widower was simply a male person with children to support but without a female companion to manage his household, including his children ?

Is is possible that it was not until the death of Queen Victoria's husband (14 December 1861) that the everyday meaning of the words WIDOW and WIDOWER became precise and less open to a gentle open view by clergy?

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 June 21 08:42 BST (UK) »
The marriage in 1848 info came from Ancestry in London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 > Tower Hamlets > Saint Dunstan and All Saints > 1848 has a James Tonkin of full age, widower, blacksmith of Stepney son of Enoch Tonkin, blacksmith married Jemima Stephens of full age, spinster of Stepney daughter of George Stephens, tailor 15th October 1848 at the Parish Church of Stepney
Witnesses - Jane(?) Budding Barber and Ethiel(?) Price”
The question is "was James really a widower or was that an attempt to cover up the births out of wedlock?"

Well, one cannot be certain without certificates, but here are  the births of children possibly of the correct James TONKIN and Jemima STEPHENS.

TONKIN, Enock  John   mms STEPHENS  (John on the ship's passenger list)
GRO Reference 1840  J Quarter
SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01  Page 273

TONKIN, Samuel   mms  STEPHENS 
GRO Reference 1843  M Quarter
SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE  Volume 01  Page 35

An Australian death 

John Enoch TONKIN
Born   abt 1841
Died   1880
In Victoria   Parents James & Jemima STEPHENS
Reg 4300

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 June 21 08:56 BST (UK) »
1841 census - Henry Street, St Pancras
James Tonkin 34   
Jemima Tonkin   28   
James Tonkin   6   
Ann Tonkin 4   
John   Tonkin 1   
ALL BORN   Middlesex, England   
HO107/684 bk 2 f22 p39
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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 June 21 09:07 BST (UK) »
Interestingly, the death notice of James TONKIN in 1865 in Victoria states "late of Oxford Street, London"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/147560959
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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 June 21 09:11 BST (UK) »
CORNWALL and birth indexed at GRO

John TONKIN
Quarter 3, 1840
Volume 9, Page 271
Truro

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 June 21 09:21 BST (UK) »
Census 1851
At a school called Morden House? in South Street,Greenwich, two boys, John TONKIN aged 10 years and Samuel TONKIN aged 8 year as scholars.
Both born London.

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Re: George Stephen(s) and wife Ann Howett. When/where born/died?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 05 June 21 10:19 BST (UK) »
It is possible James Tonkins 1st wife (if she existed) was still alive and he wasnt free to marry Jemima until 1848.
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