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Pte Ernest James Smith
« on: Tuesday 08 June 21 16:46 BST (UK) »
I am researching my family tree of Pte Ernest James Smith  Bedfordshire regiment 2nd Battalion killed in action 21st Sept 1918 age 19. He had a brother in the Royal Engineers Arthur Augustus Smith 57325 who survived the Great War. I am looking for any family members that may be on here or any information on them at all. The family came from 7 Douglas cottages in Mitcham Surrey
Father Job Smith
Mother Sarah Anne Smith
Sister Beatrice Smith ( married name was Upson)
Brother Herbert Frances J Smith
Brother Arthur Augustus Smith
Sister Olive Kate Smith (my grandmother)
Sister Ivy Irene Smith ( married name Howley)
Sister Myrtle Smith (married name Clark)
Brother Albert Smith ( died age 8)

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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 18:04 BST (UK) »
To start the ball rolling:

In 1911 (as per FamilySearch) the family were living in Mitcham, Surrey.
Job SMITH, head, 41, Engine fitter, born Upper Stanton, Wiltshire
Annie SMITH, wife, 39, born Upper Stanton, Wiltshire
Beatrice Elleanor SMITH, daughter, 19, born Swindon, Wiltshire
Herbert Francis Joe SMITH, son, 17, Learner in gas works, born Swindon, Wiltshire
Arthur Augustus SMITH, son, 15, Fitter help, born Swindon, Wiltshire
Earnest James SMITH, son, 11, born Bermondsey, London
Olive Kate SMITH, daughter, 3, born Mitcham, Surrey
Ivy Irene SMITH, daughter, 2, born Mitcham, Surrey
Albert SMITH, son, 0 born Mitcham, Surrey



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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 18:22 BST (UK) »
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The General Register Office index of birth registrations gives mother's maiden name as ALLSOP.  This leads to:
Marriage Jun qtr 1891 Highworth Wiltshire vol 5a p44  Job SMITH and Sarah Ann ALLSOPP (on FreeBMD)

There are two probable deaths on FreeBMD:
SMITH Arthur Augustus, Dec qtr 1971 Reading, Berkshire, vol 6a p400, d-o-b 4Je1895
SMITH Herbert Francis J, Sep qtr 1973 Merton vol 5d p909, d-o-b 20Jy1893


The next step may be to check the 1939 Register (available on paysites) to see where the surviving family members were and to find out if Arthur and Herbert married.

There is a possibility that Ernest and Arthur's service records can be found on paysites, but many were lost in a fire during WW2.

Philip
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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 18:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Philip.

Thank you for the information on Arthur and Herbert, I will look into that.

Regards
Maryanne


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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 19:18 BST (UK) »
Ernest James Smith
Birth 30 Jul 1899
Baptism 30 Nov 1902 Highworth, Wiltshire
Father:   Job Smith, engineer Mother:   Sarah Ann
Details from Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Beatrice Eleanor Maud Smith
Baptism 7 May 1892 Highworth, Wiltshire
Father:   Job Smith, labourer Mother:   Sarah Ann
Details from Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Beatrice Eleanor Smith  Age: 32 father Job engineer’s foreman
Married on 26 Dec 1923 Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul, Surrey
Spouse:   Andrew William Upson 30
Witness Job Smith & Herbert Frances Joe Smith
Details from Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Beatrice Eleanor Upson
Death 20 Mar 1988 Buckley Clwyd
Probate Date:   27 Mar 1988
Details from England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995

Arthur Augustus Smith
Birth Date:   Jun 1895
Baptism 27 Oct 1895 Swindon, St Paul, Wiltshire
Father:   Job Smith, carriage fitter Mother:   Sarah Ann

Arthur Augustus Smith age 28 gas fitter father Job , foreman engineer
married 5 Sep 1923 Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul
Spouse Elizabeth Mary Bassett age 24
One witness Herbert Frances Joe Smith

Arthur Augustus Smith
address 47 Love La  Mitcham
Death 16 Nov 1971 Mitcham
Probate 16 Dec 1971
Details from England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995

Herbert Francis Joe Smith,
address 4 St Mark's Road Mitcham
Death 7 Sep 1973 Mitcham Sy
Probate 9 Nov 1973
Details from England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995

Job Smith of 4 Eveline Road Mitcham Surrey
died   14 Aug 1933 at Charing Cross Hospital Middlesex
Probate 28 Oct to widow Sarah Ann
Details from England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995


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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 19:24 BST (UK) »
Arthur Augustus Smith age 19, gas fitter
Document Date:   1914
Residence Place:   7 Douglas Cottages, Love Lane Mitcham
Regimental Number:   57325
Regiment Name:   Royal Engineers
Number of Images:   68
Father Job Smith   
Details from UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920


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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 19:30 BST (UK) »
Wow, that is great. How did you manage to find out all that information please. I am going to try and find out if there are any graves for these as they are my long lost family. The only grave I have found is Ernest's grave in FRANCE. I know about Job and Sarah's grave as they are buried with Albert in Mitcham,

Thank you

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Maryanne

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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 19:41 BST (UK) »
I’m on Anc*y and thats where I found all the details posted

Olive Kate Smith & Ivy Irene Smith
Baptism 2 May 1909 Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul, Surrey, England
Father:   Joseph Smith , fitter Mother:   Annie
Details from Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1917

Ivy Irene Smith age 27
father Job deceased mechanical foreman (gas fitter) marriage on 27 Jun 1936 at   Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul, Surrey
Spouse:   George Frederick Goddard Russell 28
Details from Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Ivy Irene Russell
Death Age:   66
Born 1 Jan 1910
Sep qtr 1976 New Forest RD
Volume:   20 Page:   0265




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Re: Pte Ernest James Smith
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 20:03 BST (UK) »
Have you got access to 1939 register we cannot post details……….you can look for
Olive K Woods in Surrey,
Herbert F J Smith in Surrey,
Beatrice E Upson in Essex and
Ivy Irene Russell in Surrey

If you use FreeBMD you can search for births using surname / mothers surname
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

I believe this is one of the husbands death/burial as they are on Surrey Electoral register together living at 14 Glyn Road in 1970 not found anything for his wife

Richard William Francis Clark age 63
Burial 15 Jan 1973 Cheam Common, St Philip, Surrey
Front row of church by 1 ? cremated 15 1 73 ashes buried 18 1, Row 23 no25
Address 14 Glyn Road


Richard William Francis Clark
Death 6 Jan 1973 Surrey
Probate 20 Feb 1973
Address 14 Glyn Road Worcester Pk Surrey





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