John Henry Sheen born Q3 1866 Greenwich

[Cockneyrebel]

The above was a son of John Sheen and Harriett Jane Beasley, he married Gertrude Carter Q4 1887 at Lewisham and they had a child Ellen Gertrude Sheen born 5 Apr 1896 Lambeth baptised 26 Apr 1896 Lambeth St James the Apostle.
I don't know when or where Gertrude was born?
After Ellen's baptism, I can find no records of John, Gertrude, or Ellen?
Cr

[PaulineJ]

How about the records prior to the 1896 birth?
who, when, where, what age/occupation??
use familysearch  and the GRO indexes.

Ellen gertrude's MMN isn't Carter, so maybe that's where you are going awry.

[Cockneyrebel]

Good points PaulineJ I was surprised to see the mmn of McCarthy for Ellen's birth at GRO which I presume that Gertrude was a widow before her marriage to John, however can't find a marriage to Carter prior to 1887?
I could find no census record for John and Gertrude at 1891?
According to Ellen's baptism record, John was a paper hanger.
Cr

[PaulineJ]

I think you have jumped to conclusions with both feet.

locate and give familysearch link to the 1866-born chap in 1871 & 1881.

[jonw65]

Workhouse admissions in Lewisham in 1889 for a Gertrude Sheen born circa 1866.
Calling Servant or Wife.
Admitted from Lee.

[jonw65]

1891 census, Compton Gifford, Devon
Gertrude Sheen, Servant, Married, 27, born London Limehouse
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W4H7-V6Z

[jonw65]

Birth
SHEEN, JOHN  HENRY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: MCCARTHY 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in LEWISHAM  Volume 01D  Page 1183

Carter / McCarthy. It's not impossible, is it.

[Cockneyrebel]

Thank you jonw65, seems very likely that they had a son with the same name as him, and the 1891 census in Devon also seems likely but wonder where John and the son were then? Presumable John Henry the husband must've been still alive as Ellen was born in 1896?
Not too sure PaulineJ about the references to the censuses as that was when John was single?
Cr

[PaulineJ]

Not too sure PaulineJ about the references to the censuses as that was when John was single?
Cr

and they should show which part of the large area covered by Greenwich and adjacent districts he considered himself to have been born. THAT belief would have continued after marriage.

Pauline.