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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 June 21 22:08 BST (UK) »
The Janet Gray was born April 1899, the other person  Josiah in 1877. He is a baker. I think he dies in 1948 in Scotland,  a Janet Read Gray  widow is named in the probate. 
In 1901 Joshua is in Scotland with wife Maggie,  daughter Janet Crop Gray aged 2.No image.

A bit confusing .
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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 June 21 22:34 BST (UK) »
In case you don't have these baptisms
Thomas Arthur Cook
8th April 1908
Loughborough All Saints
Arthur and Lily Janet
9 Ratcliffe Road
father was a coach painter

Elizabeth Alice Cooke
15th May 1912
Coventry Keresley (St Thomas)
Arthur and Lily Janet
1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End
father was a coach painter

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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 09 June 21 22:41 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in Leicester in 1938 Janet Cooke to Edward A Gray but I think she is born 1910 and in 1939 as Janet Gray, in the same home as on the 1911 census, also a Cooke brother with her in 1939, no husband present.


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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 June 21 00:07 BST (UK) »
It doesn't look like it was a happy marriage, so they may have separated fairly early on.

Coventry Evening Telegraph
09 Oct 1913
Coventry Police Court
"Made It Up"
- Arthur Cooke, 1h 3c, Spon End,
- summoned by Lily Janet Cooke, his wife,
- for assault and defendant admitted the offence
- Mrs Cooke said they had been married six years
- in consequence of defendant's conduct she fetched a policeman,
- and then her husband slapped her face
- they has since "made it up",
- and she did not want to press the case
- the Bench adjourned the matter for a month


Coventry Herald
10 Oct 1913
Coventry City Police
Two Wife Assaults
- Arthur Cooke, 3c 1h, Spon End,
- pleaded guilty to assaulting his wife,
- who stated that he began to break crockery and then hit her
- the had since made it up and she did not want to press the case
- a month's adjournment was ordered


There is similar story the following year for an Arthur Cooke, also of Spon End. However, one item states this couple had been married 3 years. So this could be a different couple or the item could be incorrect. The address does tally with Comberton's info though.

Coventry Evening Telegraph
30 Apr 1914
Coventry Police Court
Husband Fined For Assault
- Arthur Cooke,
- 1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife
- Mrs Cooke stated that one April 24
- her husband came home worse for drink and ill-used her,
- punching her in the face, held her by the throat
- and pulled out handsful of hair
- she got out of the house and stayed at a friend's
- and had not returned to her husband
- defendant expressed his regret
- and said complainant had been a good wife
- and he had been very silly
- he had taken an oath not to repeat the offence
- Ald. [A. H.] Drinkwater said the magistrates felt very strongly
- about men ill-treating their wives
- a fine of 20s and cost was imposed


Coventry Standard
01 May 1914
Coventry Police Court
Broken Promises
Wife's Fear Of Her Husband
- Arthur Cooke, the Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife,
- and at conclusion of her evidence she said
- she was afraid to return as she was in fear of him
- they had been married three years,
- and during that time he had beaten her on a number of occasions
- in her evidence Mrs Cooke said her husband came home drunk,
- and complained of no food being ready for him
- she undertook to prepare a meal,
- but he seized her and threw her on the floor,
- threatening to take her life
- she fled to a neighbour's house
- but he followed her there and she had to leave
- in reply to the magistrates' clerk,
- she said had not since returned home,
- and was afraid to do so
- the defendant, who pleaded guilty to the assault,
- promised amendment
- the complainant said she could not accept his word
- he had made similar promises before, and had broken them,
- during the three years they had been married
- probably if she did return he would treat her properly
- for a short time and then break out again
- that had been her experience
- the Bench inflicted a fine of 20s and costs,
- or in default 28 days
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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 10 June 21 01:55 BST (UK) »
This doesn't answer the original request but is another possibility for the death of Arthur and the years in between.
There is this death
Arthur Cooke
Mar 1937 Coventry
age 48
and the burial 6th March in London Road Cemetery, Coventry. Address given is 34 Tomson Avenue, Coventry.
At this address in 1939 are Florence S Cooke 1895 and Cooke children b 1921 and 1922 mmn King. No marriage found for Arthur Cooke and Florence S King.  Florence has her surname amended to Saffin. No marriage for Florence S Cooke and Saffin but next door in 1939 is widowed Edwin J Saffin b 1899. There is a marriage in Coventry in 1943 for Edwin J Saffin and Florence S King.
It looks like Arthur and Florence were not married and maybe this is where Arthur went.
A write-up in the newspaper for his funeral mentions no family members but describes him as a member of the Final Finish Department of the Standard Motor Co. Limited, which sounds like an occupation that fits a coach painter.
Edwin James Saffin died 1963, probate to widow Florence Sarah and she died 1983.

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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 10 June 21 16:11 BST (UK) »
The Janet Gray was born April 1899, the other person  Josiah in 1877. He is a baker. I think he dies in 1948 in Scotland,  a Janet Read Gray  widow is named in the probate. 
In 1901 Joshua is in Scotland with wife Maggie,  daughter Janet Crop Gray aged 2.No image.

A bit confusing .

hmm possibly not my Janet than thanks for looking though.
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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 10 June 21 16:31 BST (UK) »
In case you don't have these baptisms
Thomas Arthur Cook
8th April 1908
Loughborough All Saints
Arthur and Lily Janet
9 Ratcliffe Road
father was a coach painter

Elizabeth Alice Cooke
15th May 1912
Coventry Keresley (St Thomas)
Arthur and Lily Janet
1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End
father was a coach painter

Thank you! i never had Elizabeths baptism so that is helpful.
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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 10 June 21 20:11 BST (UK) »
It doesn't look like it was a happy marriage, so they may have separated fairly early on.

Coventry Evening Telegraph
09 Oct 1913
Coventry Police Court
"Made It Up"
- Arthur Cooke, 1h 3c, Spon End,
- summoned by Lily Janet Cooke, his wife,
- for assault and defendant admitted the offence
- Mrs Cooke said they had been married six years
- in consequence of defendant's conduct she fetched a policeman,
- and then her husband slapped her face
- they has since "made it up",
- and she did not want to press the case
- the Bench adjourned the matter for a month


Coventry Herald
10 Oct 1913
Coventry City Police
Two Wife Assaults
- Arthur Cooke, 3c 1h, Spon End,
- pleaded guilty to assaulting his wife,
- who stated that he began to break crockery and then hit her
- the had since made it up and she did not want to press the case
- a month's adjournment was ordered


There is similar story the following year for an Arthur Cooke, also of Spon End. However, one item states this couple had been married 3 years. So this could be a different couple or the item could be incorrect. The address does tally with Comberton's info though.

Coventry Evening Telegraph
30 Apr 1914
Coventry Police Court
Husband Fined For Assault
- Arthur Cooke,
- 1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife
- Mrs Cooke stated that one April 24
- her husband came home worse for drink and ill-used her,
- punching her in the face, held her by the throat
- and pulled out handsful of hair
- she got out of the house and stayed at a friend's
- and had not returned to her husband
- defendant expressed his regret
- and said complainant had been a good wife
- and he had been very silly
- he had taken an oath not to repeat the offence
- Ald. [A. H.] Drinkwater said the magistrates felt very strongly
- about men ill-treating their wives
- a fine of 20s and cost was imposed


Coventry Standard
01 May 1914
Coventry Police Court
Broken Promises
Wife's Fear Of Her Husband
- Arthur Cooke, the Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife,
- and at conclusion of her evidence she said
- she was afraid to return as she was in fear of him
- they had been married three years,
- and during that time he had beaten her on a number of occasions
- in her evidence Mrs Cooke said her husband came home drunk,
- and complained of no food being ready for him
- she undertook to prepare a meal,
- but he seized her and threw her on the floor,
- threatening to take her life
- she fled to a neighbour's house
- but he followed her there and she had to leave
- in reply to the magistrates' clerk,
- she said had not since returned home,
- and was afraid to do so
- the defendant, who pleaded guilty to the assault,
- promised amendment
- the complainant said she could not accept his word
- he had made similar promises before, and had broken them,
- during the three years they had been married
- probably if she did return he would treat her properly
- for a short time and then break out again
- that had been her experience
- the Bench inflicted a fine of 20s and costs,
- or in default 28 days

Wow so much information!  ;D Very interesting, i dont think i would have ever come across these articles. They sound like the same people so perhaps the marriage was written down wrong.

It does not surprise me that Arthur was a bad one as ive been told that Arthur and Lily Janet's son Thomas Arthur Cooke was not a very nice man either.

Thanks again for this info.
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Re: Help Finding Alice Cooke after 1911 and maybe her Mum, Janet Cooke (Holland)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 June 21 11:51 BST (UK) »
Something I noticed that was missing from your tree:-

Margaret Holland, daughter of James Angus, surveyor, married John Henry Cox, a gardener, on 28th December 1912 at St Peter, Loughborough.
Both widowed of 60 Derby Road. The witnesses were Joseph Earl Peacock and Lizzie Rose.

I can't find them after the wedding.

One way of finding people on the 39 register is through their birthday. Unfortunately, it means buying the birth certificates, but I have found a few missing relatives by using their first names and birth date. However, a lot of birth dates differ from certificates, often a year or two out or the day of the month is different.

David

P.S. - In 1915, Margaret Cox of 60 Derby Road was on a list on people eligible to vote as Parochial Electors only.