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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 June 21 16:40 BST (UK) »
You do wonder if Francis reinvented himself for some reason, and if he wasnít really who he said he was, and/or not born when and where he claimed. In 1911, heís in Woolwich Barracks as a Sergeant, age 38 years, and so another YOB (1872/3), but still born in Plymouth. However, there are only 13 civil birth registrations for Woodhouse in Plymouth and immediate areas from 1863-83 and none look like Francis George.

Francisí wife, Ellen, was born in Budleigh in Devon (according to the 1911 census) and it may be her in 1881 in Chapel Street, East Budleigh, with parents William (Naval Pensioner) and Elizabeth Britton, although her POB is Morice Town (Devonport). In 1891, sheís still with parents in East Budleigh, and also two Gibbs cousins born in Australia. In 1901, sheís in Plymouth as a domestic born Budleigh.

Interestingly, there is also a Woodhouse family in East Budleigh. In 1881, there's George G Woodhouse, age 50 yrs, born Sedgley in Staffs, clerk in holy orders living at Otterbourne House along with his wife, four children, and various pupils and servants.

I wonder if Francis was born as someone else, taken in by George Woodhouse, and given his name (or taken his name years later). Might be worth digging into this a bit more.

EDIT: In 1881, the Woodhouse children are Mary b 1859 Shropshire, George E b 1867 Budleigh, Lawrence b 1874 Budleigh and Emmeline D b 1876 Budleigh. There are birth registrations for Mary and Emmeline (Dorothea) with motherís maiden name Benson. Also brs for male Woodhouse Q2 1866, female Woodhouse Q2 1868 and John Woodhouse Q3 1871, all mmn Benson and in St Thomas (the Budleigh registration district).

The male Woodhouse born 1866 could be George E (George Edward bp 1866 East Budleigh), and the female Woodhouse br 1868 could be Ruth Martin Woodhouse (bp 1868 East Budleigh) but I canít find a br for Lawrence, although he was bp 1873 East Budleigh. He seems to be a pupil in Great Amwell in 1891, and a school teacher in Malvern in 1901, but might there be other children to George and Elizabeth Woodhouse without an obvious birth registration?

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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 June 21 19:32 BST (UK) »
You do wonder if Francis reinvented himself for some reason, and if he wasnít really who he said he was, and/or not born when and where he claimed. In 1911, heís in Woolwich Barracks as a Sergeant, age 38 years, and so another YOB (1872/3), but still born in Plymouth. However, there are only 13 civil birth registrations for Woodhouse in Plymouth and immediate areas from 1863-83 and none look like Francis George.

Francisí wife, Ellen, was born in Budleigh in Devon (according to the 1911 census) and it may be her in 1881 in Chapel Street, East Budleigh, with parents William (Naval Pensioner) and Elizabeth Britton, although her POB is Morice Town (Devonport). In 1891, sheís still with parents in East Budleigh, and also two Gibbs cousins born in Australia. In 1901, sheís in Plymouth as a domestic born Budleigh.

Interestingly, there is also a Woodhouse family in East Budleigh. In 1881, there's George G Woodhouse, age 50 yrs, born Sedgley in Staffs, clerk in holy orders living at Otterbourne House along with his wife, four children, and various pupils and servants.

I wonder if Francis was born as someone else, taken in by George Woodhouse, and given his name (or taken his name years later). Might be worth digging into this a bit more.

EDIT: In 1881, the Woodhouse children are Mary b 1859 Shropshire, George E b 1867 Budleigh, Lawrence b 1874 Budleigh and Emmeline D b 1876 Budleigh. There are birth registrations for Mary and Emmeline (Dorothea) with motherís maiden name Benson. Also brs for male Woodhouse Q2 1866, female Woodhouse Q2 1868 and John Woodhouse Q3 1871, all mmn Benson and in St Thomas (the Budleigh registration district).

The male Woodhouse born 1866 could be George E (George Edward bp 1866 East Budleigh), and the female Woodhouse br 1868 could be Ruth Martin Woodhouse (bp 1868 East Budleigh) but I canít find a br for Lawrence, although he was bp 1873 East Budleigh. He seems to be a pupil in Great Amwell in 1891, and a school teacher in Malvern in 1901, but might there be other children to George and Elizabeth Woodhouse without an obvious birth registration?

Thank you very much for this Flemming. Youíve echoed my thoughts exactly in terms of whether Francis was not born as Francis and assumed that name a bit later in life. I just donít know how on earth I figure out who, when and why?!  ???  ??? And who is this Thomas Woodhouse who is named as Francisís father on the marriage certificateÖ?

I think youíve found the right Ellen there - her maiden name was Britton.

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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 June 21 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Emma,

We've been corresponding about this on The Genealogist forum.

Have you seen that the army lists have a different birthdate for him - 30 April 1877: https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/89294649?mode=transcription

Hi Shaun,

Yes, we have! Iím trying all avenues that crop up as Iím trying to break down this apparent brick wall!

I had noted that date of birth. Which is just even more confusing now as I have multiple different ones: 21st April 1875, 21st April 1877, 21st April 1887 and 30th April 1877. I keep coming up with more questions than answers!

I am probably very Ďwet behind the earsí when it comes to this family tree malarkey, but I just donít understand how I can find quite a few records for him (or, at least I think they are for him!) from 1901 onwards, but not before!

Kind regards,

Emma

1887 seems fairly unlikely given he married in 1901 - Age would have been 14!


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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 June 21 20:46 BST (UK) »
And who is this Thomas Woodhouse who is named as Francisís father on the marriage certificateÖ?

Well, Thomas could be made up, or he could be the husband of Francisí mother (i.e. either his mother married Thomas Woodhouse after Francis was born, or his mother was called Woodhouse and married Thomas íSomebodyí and the clerk completing the marriage entry just assumed the fatherís surname was Woodhouse).

There is Frank Woodhouse birth registered Q4 1874 Foleshill in Warwickshire, and then a possible bp 12.1.1876 to Thomas (a miner) and Sarah Jane - but the Q4 birth registration wouldnít tie in with the April birth date. EDIT Selina Woodhouse bp the same date, place, parents; but Frank is accounted for in future censuses.

Are you able to upload the groomís fatherís details from the marriage entry?


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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 10 June 21 21:27 BST (UK) »
Have you considered a DNA test?

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 10 June 21 22:15 BST (UK) »
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Are you able to upload the groomís fatherís details from the marriage entry?

It's not easy to do that on a lookup request board. There is no facility to add an attachment.
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« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 June 21 08:58 BST (UK) »
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Are you able to upload the groomís fatherís details from the marriage entry?

It's not easy to do that on a lookup request board. There is no facility to add an attachment.

Are you sure? I can see an 'Attachments and other options' as I type.

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 11 June 21 09:12 BST (UK) »
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Are you sure?

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Re: Francis George Woodhouse - please help!
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 June 21 09:22 BST (UK) »
Could Emma ask mods to move the thread to the main Devon board?