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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 04:01 BST (UK) »
Dave … would you mind translating this one … I think it’s Gotthilf Erns Rau husband of Johanna Christiane

The age is out going by the marriage but I think it’s him

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2116&h=201003&ssrc=pt&tid=89118704&pid=46588348608&usePUB=true

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 04:04 BST (UK) »
Although it has Gotlieb not Gotthilf so maybe not

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 13:21 BST (UK) »
Great photo, good looking girl

I posted a query in a Posen Forum asking for info on church books from Karge around 1800.
No luck. the only records known are from 1818 onwards.

You could try mailing the parish of Karge / Chwalim


http://www.kargowa.pl/de/content/die-evangelische-kirche-karge#


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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 13:38 BST (UK) »
Great photo, good looking girl

I posted a query in a Posen Forum asking for info on church books from Karge around 1800.
No luck. the only records known are from 1818 onwards.

You could try mailing the parish of Karge / Chwalim


http://www.kargowa.pl/de/content/die-evangelische-kirche-karge#

Thanks Dave … that probably explains it if there are no records before that time the mystery may remain .. I can only guess that Johanna and Wilhelmine were sisters or cousins of some type. 


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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 17 June 21 07:15 BST (UK) »
Death Henriette Wilhelmine Habermann nee Klemke

26
Schmöllen 28 November 1884

Vor den unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschien heute der Persönlichkeit bekannt,
die Frau Mathilde Zirade geb. Habermann

Wohnhaft zu Klein Schmoellen
und zeigte an, dass ihre Mutter, die Wittwe Henriette
Wilhelmine Habermann geb. Klemke
71 Jahre alt, evangelischer Religion
Wohnhaft zu Klein Schmoellen
geboren zu Chwalim, Kreis Bomst. Zuletzt ver-
heirathet gewesen mit den verstorbenen
Müller Johann August Habermann.

Tochter des Müllers Johann Gottlob Klemke und dessen
Ehefrau. Vor- und Familienname unbekannt

zu Klein Schmoellen in der Anzeigenden Behausung
am acht und zwanzigst (28) November 1884,
vormittags um acht Uhr
verstorben sei
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Before the undersigned registrar appeared today, identity known,
Frau Mathilde Zirade geb. Habermann, resident in Klein Schmoellen and reported that her mother, the widow Henriette Wilhelmine Habermann nee Klemke, 71 years old, protestant
born in Chwalim. died in her home on the 28 November 1884 at 8 am

formerly married to the deceased miller Johann August Haberman

daughter of the miller, Johann Gottlob Klemke and his wife
„names unknown“

read aloud, approved and signed

Hi Dave … I wonder if this is her fathers death seeing as when she married Johann it said her parents were dead.

Does this give his occupation as Miller?

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2116&h=196916&tid=&pid=&queryId=f8b7364c52b6183f321764527764dfed&usePUB=true&_phsrc=YXi1&_phstart=successSource

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 17 June 21 22:26 BST (UK) »
Yes, i think you are spot on there.
The dates fit, good find

Death Gottlob Klemke

1827, 13 November

Chwalim

Gottlob Klemke – 58 years 6 months 4 days old

Windmüller – wind miller

Father, profession „Müller“ – miller, „Vorname unbekannt“ christian name unknown
Mothers name „ unbekannt“ unknown

männlich – male        ehelich – legitimate

"Krankheit" illness „Auszehrung“ – could be tuberculosis or cachexia

How did the priest convince himself that the deceased was the same person. „bekannt“  known

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 17 June 21 22:43 BST (UK) »
Here´s the transcription for the marriage of Gotthilf Rau und Johanne Klemke

Anno - In the year of 1826     

1st Column
Number
35

2nd Column
Jahr und Tag der Trauung / Year and day of marriage
1826
28 November

3rd Column
Name des Predigers der getraut hat / name of the preacher performing the ceremony
Keeler

4th Column
vor, zu und Geschlechtsname der Getrauten, Aufenthaltsort und
Gewerbe. Auch ob die Trauung in der Kirche oder in Hause geschehen
christian names and Surnames of the couple, place of residence and
profession. Also if the ceremony was in the church or at home.


Klemzig, der Wassermüller Gotthilf Ernst
Rau, mit Jungfrau Johanne Christiane
geb(orene) Klemke zu Chwalim. Die Trauung
geschah in die Kirche
Klemzig, the water miller Gotthilf Ernst
Rau with spinster Johanne Christiane
nee Klemke from Chwalim. The ceremony
was held in the church


5th Column
Ob schon verheiratet gewesen
und ob sie noch unter Eltern
der Vormündern stehen
If they had been previously married
and if they are still under guardianship of the Parents

beide noch unverheiratet
auch die Eltern noch am Leben
both unmarried.
the parents are still living


6th 7th Column
Alter des Bräutigams – der Braut
Age of the groom – bride
27 – 22

8th 9th Column
Religion des Bräutigams – der Braut
evan(gelisch) - dito

10th Column
Einwilligung der Eltern
der Vörmünder
Consent of the parents or Guardians
haben eingewilligt
consented

11th Column
Datum des Aufgebots
Dates of banns
12, 19 26 November

12th Column
Etwaige Dispension
eventuell Dispension
nicht nöthig gewesen
not neccassary

12th Column
Bemerkungen

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #34 on: Friday 18 June 21 06:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dave … another piece of the puzzle from those.  So when Gotthilf Rau married Johanna Klemke in 1826 all parents were still alive. 

And Johanna Klemke was from Chwalim but Gotthilf was from Klemzig what is now Klepsk is that right? And he was a water Miller when he married but perhaps took on the wind mill job once he married and was living in Chwalim.  So I might see if there are any other Rau families in Klemzig. 

I can only assume that Wilhelmina and Johanna were sisters or at the very least cousins.  The fact that their sons all migrated to the same place in Australia is all too much of a coincidence for them not to be related.

Bit by bit with your help more pieces are coming together so thank you

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Re: Help needed for German translation to English
« Reply #35 on: Friday 18 June 21 14:49 BST (UK) »
Do you have the children from Gotthilf Ernst and Johanna??