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Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« on: Friday 11 June 21 22:30 BST (UK) »
Hi folk's my Gtx2 Grandfather is recorded 1861 to 1891 cencus records as John Kirton.he married
Catherine Reynolds in Newcastle c1856 but the certificate has his name spelt Corten,his father is recorded also as John occupation soldier his birthplace has come down in family folklore as Cork.their
large family were baptised at St Joseph's Catholic church in Gateshead as Kirton,Kurtin and Curtin.
Do you think there is any chance of finding the family in Irish records I appreciate many different
spellings turn up of Irish surnames.
Regards Steve.

Bland(Chester-le-street) Round(Dudley/Durham)Kirton(Gateshead)
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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 June 21 11:38 BST (UK) »
To help this search, could you let us know John's birthplace and approximate birth year you have found on the 1861-1891 censuses?

This might help to find a baptism with John's mother's name, leading to a marriage, and so on.

Philip

ADDED:   FamilySearch has a baptism, but I cannot tell if this is your man:
25 Aug 1833 Boherbue, Co Cork; John CURTAYNE son of John CURTAYNE and Abina O'SULLIVAN
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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 June 21 11:49 BST (UK) »
Just for the record I see a Freebmd postem for this records the 1856 Newcastle upon Tyne marriage as having taken place at St Peter.
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner


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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 June 21 12:18 BST (UK) »
If John's father was a soldier then the family might only have lived in Ireland a short while. Have you looked for possible parents or siblings who might have settled in the Newcastle area?

Boherbue R.C. Parish registers online (free)- baptisms from 22 July 1833!
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0021
Mother's name different in actual register to what is transcribed on FamilySearch-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632553#page/6/mode/1up

However, a word of caution. Just because you find a record in Ireland with the correct name and possible time of birth doesn't mean you have found the correct record. Not all records survive/exist for such and early period and of those that do not all are online.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 June 21 12:20 BST (UK) »
If this is him,
1861 3804/26/14

John Kirton, 30 yrs (abt 1830) b Ireland  (labourer)

1871 5057/16/25
John Kirton b 1826, Ireland
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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 June 21 13:34 BST (UK) »
Military records to think about

John Curtin 18yrs born abt 1798 ‘Castle Wyde’ Cork
Enlisted in 1816
Discharged in 1833
Regiment:   16th Regt Of Foot, no 203

Private John Curtain 17 yrs abt 1799, Kilnorth, Cork
Enlisted 1816
Discharged in 1841
Regiment:   16th Regt Of Foot, no 1141

Corporal John Curtin 24 yrs b abt 1799, St John’s Limerick
Enlisted 1823
Discharged 1844
Regiment:   Tenth Regt Of Foot no 183


There may be others. These records are available on Fold 3.
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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 June 21 13:51 BST (UK) »
Many thank's folk's a lot to take in there,I've never thought to look for alternative in his surname spelling
for possible parent's as he turns up in Newcastle mid 1850's 1851 may be the place to start.His headstone still stands in Geateshead East Cemetery died 1897 age recorded as 68 year's but not all the census have
the same age and Ireland only as Birthplace I have more than on line of family not native to the North east
who seemed to arrive after military service possibly Newcastle a last posting before discharge.
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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 June 21 15:50 BST (UK) »
https://www.genuki.org.uk

Yes, I see he had a Newcastle Evening Chronicle death notice as John Kirton on 5 August 1897.

His burial entry from FamilySearch:

Gateshead East Cemetery
Entry 45759
John Kirton
Labourer
Age 68
2 Flag Terrace
Burial 8 August 1897
Ceremony by Edward (Witty?)
Burial location: Division 30 plot 124
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Kirton,Curtin or corten?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 June 21 16:17 BST (UK) »
Thank's again RTL,strange he is listed as labourer as they had a grocers shop in Flag terrace Saltmeadows
for thirty odd years that said Catherines father was listed as labourer on the marriage cert but owned a
marine stores dealership on Gateshead high street!
Bland(Chester-le-street) Round(Dudley/Durham)Kirton(Gateshead)
Smith(Gateshead)Littleton(Sacriston)
Wayman(Cambs&Newcastle)Green(Lincs)Smith(bucks)
Watson(Gilling west & Gateshead)