Mystery of James Bain

[aidansrest]

Hi

I am looking for any evidence of James Bain, born c 1852 in Scotland.
He married Barbara Kish Watson in St Thomas, Sunderland on the 14th June 1874.
He gave his age as 22 years, his occupation was a 'plumber' his address 1 Back Villers Street (the same address as Barbara), and his father as George Bain, a carpenter.
He and Barbara can be easily followed on the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census in Sunderland - both had died prior to 1911.
James persistently gives his place of birth as just 'Scotland'
The couple had four children George, born on the 4th December 1875, Joseph Henry, born on the 18th February 1878, sadly dying on the 30th April 1879, Elizabeth Christie, born on the 1st January 1881, and Ernest Edward, born on the 9th January 1884.

I cannot trace James with any certainty prior to his marriage.

I did think, before I got his marriage certificate, that James' parents could have been a James Bain (c1827) and his wife, Catherine.
They firstly appear on the 1861 England census in Newcastle with their children - Jennet, aged 12 years, James, aged 7 years, and Eliza and Catherine, aged 2 years.
However, by 1871, they can be found in Monkwearmouth, Sunderland - James (elder) was an engineer of a steamship, whilst James (junior) was an apprentice engineer.
Eliza, now aged 12 years - appears as Eliza C (did think it maybe Christie).
She married John Bland in Southwick on the 25th August 1879, confirming her father as James Bain.
Elizabeth's place of birth on the 1881 census is Aberdeen.
By 1891, her widowed mother, Catherine, is living with them, and by 1901, Catherine is living in Southwick with her widowed sister, Margaret Mason (nee Dixon/Dickson).
However, whether this family has anything to do with 'my' James is unclear - can anyone help??

Thanks Sue

[Rena]

scotlandspeople.gov.uk show that there were no babies baptised in the Prersbyterian church named James born to a George Bain/Bayne.  However, recently on another rootschat thread it seems that scotlandspeople had mis interpretted a very faded John/James.

Scotlandspeople show that there were two babies named John Bain born to a father named George Bain.  Maybe you should ask scotlandspeople to check the image to see if one baby is named James.

I notice that in the village of Tarves near Aberdeen there was a baby James born to a father named George Bean and Jane Hay.  Could this be your James?

Surname BEAN
Forename JAMES
Parents/ Other Details
GEORGE BEAN/JANE HAY
Date 16/06/1851
Parish Number 243/
Ref 30 142
Parish Tarves

[aidansrest]

That's great- thanks I'll check

Sue

[Ladyhawk]

scotlandspeople.gov.uk show that there were no babies baptised in the Prersbyterian church named James born to a George Bain/Bayne.  However, recently on another rootschat thread it seems that scotlandspeople had mis interpretted a very faded John/James.

Scotlandspeople show that there were two babies named John Bain born to a father named George Bain.  Maybe you should ask scotlandspeople to check the image to see if one baby is named James.

I notice that in the village of Tarves near Aberdeen there was a baby James born to a father named George Bean and Jane Hay.  Could this be your James?

Surname BEAN
Forename JAMES
Parents/ Other Details
GEORGE BEAN/JANE HAY
Date 16/06/1851
Parish Number 243/
Ref 30 142
Parish Tarves

JAMES Bean
Birth 14 May 1851
Baptism Date:   16 Jun 1851 Tarves,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father:    George Bean Mother:    Jane HAY
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

This looks to be the family 1861 census

Civil parish:   Tarves County:   Aberdeenshire
Address:   Breckley
George Bean 51   Head Farmer Employing 4 Men & 2 Women
Jane Bean 48   Wife
Helen Bean 15   Daughter
George Bean 13   Son
Elizabeth Bean 11   Daughter
JAMES Bean   9   Son born  Tarves
Alexander J Bean 5   Son
Jane Grassick 22   Lodger
Mary Whyte 21   Servant
Bargara Whyte17   Servant
James Brawsay 27   Servant
Alexander Dasilson 23   Servant

Helen Bean
Birth 26 Mar 1846
Baptism 30 Apr 1846    Tarves,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father:    George Bean Mother:    Jane Hay

George Bean
Birth 02 Nov 1847
Baptism    03 Dec 1847 Tarves,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father:    George Bean Mother:    Jane Hay

Elizabeth Bean
Birth 12 Jun 1849
Baptism 18 Jul 1849 Piece Tarves,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father:    George Bean Mother:    Jane Hay

Alexander John Bean
Birth 03 Dec 1855 Tarves,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father:    George Bean Mother:    Jean Hay
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

[brigidmac]

You might also try McBain

Mc + Mac were dropped from many names some years I'm not sure why then families either used the surname with Mc again or carried on without it

[loobylooayr]

Hi

There is a James Bain living in South Shields, County Durham at the time of the 1871 Census
His address is 49 Ormonde Street in the civil parish of Jarrow.

This James is a 22 year old plumber born in Scotland and is boarding with the McCall family.

The McCall's have a daughter Isabella aged 6 with birthplace of Scotland....maybe this is relevant...could be a link to where James Bain came from??

MCCALL       George       Head       M       M       47       Shoemaker        Unknown - Berwick On Tweed           
    MCCALL       Isabella       Wife       M       F       42               Unknown - Berwick On Tweed           
     MCCALL       George       Son       -       M       14       Rivet Heater In Ship Yard        Co. Durham - West Hartlepool           
     MCCALL       Isabella       Dau       -       F       6       Scholar        Scotland - -           
     MCCALL       Ann E       Dau       -       F       3               Co. Durham - Jarrow           
     HUNTER       Thomas       Boardr       U       M       49       Shoemaker        Co. Durham - Stockton On Tees           
     BAIN       James       Boardr       U       M       22       Plumber        Scotland - -

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Hi again

Bearing in mind the name of your James Bain's daughter - interestingly on Familysearch ( and therefore on Scotlands People) - there is a marriage between a George Bain and an Elizabeth Christie at Burntisland , Fife on 25 November 1846. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTPM-LXW     

There is also a birth of a James Bain to a George Bain and Elizabeth Christie at Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire on 12 Sep 1847 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY87-5SX

Can't say for definite that these records refer to the same couple.

Two other births to George Bain and Elizabeth Christie ( possible siblings for the above James Bain)
John Bain -  born Leith in Midlothian on 28 July 1855 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQBB-KS6
Robert Bain - born Leith in Midlothian on 1 May 1857. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQQW-G6D

Looby

[Millmoor]

Further to Loobylooayr's post it would appear to be the same George and Elizabeth

1851 Census Burntisland

Eliza Bain 30 married carpenter's wife b Logie Pert
James Bain son 4 b Dumbarton
George Bain son 2 b Burhtisland
Thomas Bain son 0 b Burntisland

1861 Wardie Square, North Leith, Midlothian

Elizabeth Bain Widow 40 Lodging House Keeper b Logie
James Bain Son 13 Plumber gas fitter&c b Dumbarton
George Bain Son 12 b Fife
Thomas Bain Son 10 b Fife
John Bain Son 5 b Leith
Robert Bain Son 3 b Leith

It all certainly" fits ", apart from the disparity in the age of James Bain. I cannot see a corresponding death on SP for George Bain but note this from The Caledonian Mercury 16 May 1857

" A little before six o'clock yesterday morning a man named George Bain, a carpenter, residing in Brandon Street, while on his way to work, dropped down near Canonmills, and died instantaneously ...Deceased was a middle aged man, and was married".

William

[aidansrest]

Wow!!!

Thank you so much for this - it certainly does sound like 'my' James, although his date of birth is slightly out, everything else matches so perfectly, it must be him!!

Thanks again, I would I never have found him without your help, interest, and expertise!

Sue