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Children after Fatherís Death
« on: Monday 14 June 21 21:34 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone!

I am interested to know if other people have come across similar situations with family research in relation to children following deaths of a father.

I have a relation, Fanny Reeves (born in Newtown Linford, Leicestershire in 1853 approx) who married Freestone Reeves (born in Gaddesby, Leicestershire in 1851 approx). They had a number of children together before Freestone died in 1888. In the 1891 census, Fannyís marital status is widowed.

However, she has a few more children following his death (William Henry b. 1890, Dymock Johnson b. 1893 and Arthur b. 1899), despite not remarrying. I havenít ordered any birth certificates for these children but the birth record lists them under Reeves (and either not having a motherís maiden name disclosed or their motherís maiden name being Reeves).

I found the baptism record for these children as well - both William and Dymock were baptised in 1896 and donít have their fatherís name or occupation listed. They were also baptised with their older sibling, Joseph, who was actually born before Freestoneís death so presumably has Freestoneís name on his birth certificate. Despite this, Freestone is still not listed on the baptism record.

Arthur was baptised in 1907 (along with his niece and nephew), but he was baptised in Belgrave, Leicester and away from Newtown Linford where the whole family grew up. Interestingly, Freestone is listed as the father on the baptism record - despite him being deceased 11 years before Arthurís birth!

It seems like Fanny got pregnant out of wedlock following the death of Freestone, as I havenít seen any evidence that she remarried. I was simply wondering about the context of this, and if anyone has any similar stories to share. Many thanks.

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 June 21 21:44 BST (UK) »
Yes, it happened. My gg-grandmother had a son 4 years after her husbandís death, though she helpfully included the natural fatherís surname as a middle name (coincidentally it was Reeves! She later married Mr Reeves).

ďDymockĒ and ďJohnsonĒ are interesting given names. Did they occur in Fannyís family, or might they be clues to paternity?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 June 21 21:47 BST (UK) »
Oh I see she was in fact Fanny Johnson when she married Freeston Reeves in 1870.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 June 21 21:50 BST (UK) »
Hi, thanks for your response. Iím guessing that women in those times would have been shamed by their neighbours for such behaviour? As I said in my original post, Fanny and her family moved from Newtown Linford to Belgrave, Iím assuming at least partially for a new start of sorts, where everyone would assume Freestone died following the death of all her children.

Dymock is unusual (sometimes spelled Dimmock in censuses) but I havenít come across it elsewhere yet. Perhaps it could give a clue to his natural father? Johnson is Fannyís maiden name.

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 June 21 21:50 BST (UK) »
Also very strange that your similar case includes the name Reeves!

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 June 21 21:53 BST (UK) »
If I were you Iíd be looking for a Mr Dymock in the vicinity  :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 June 21 22:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the tip!

Just done a quick search and Iíve found a Dymock (or Dymoke) Martin (b. 1844 approx) who was a travelling salesman in Leicestershire in 1891. Thereís a death record for him dying in Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire in 1916 (which was the area that encompassed Newtown Linford) so this is possibly him.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 June 21 22:04 BST (UK) »
Ah - very interesting! DNA genalogy can be helpful in confirming paternity in these situations, if there are descendants to test.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Children after Fatherís Death
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 June 21 22:35 BST (UK) »
I think if you ordered the birth certificate you would find a line in space of father's name and there might be a reference to Fanny's maiden name or that REEVES is her married name

I would also go with the Mr Dymock theory
It helped women in paternity cases if the child was given the putative father's name ...maybe there is a record of court case or an affiliation order .

But as avm said only DNA could prove  it and you'd have to find a Dymock relation who has tested or is willing to test
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