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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 22:19 BST (UK) »
I think Frederica used her grandmothers surname. Isabella Slack married Edwin John Hodges and they had a son Frederick John Hodges 1876 who married Rosa Ann Griffiths who were Frederica's parents.

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There may well have been further Jackson/Slack children born after Peter between 1929-1937

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 07:38 BST (UK) »
Hi John
Very well done, I think you have got Frederica sorted. A complicated life story! 
And an unexpected change of name by her to boot. She may have encouraged Walter to do the same!
I am still puzzled as to why he would be using the Jackson name later. And his NI card, ration book,  must have been in the name of Walter Ponting? As that's how he was recorded in the 1939 register.
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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 07:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help, especially John and Jon. I'll need to read this all a few times to follow all the twists and turns. It's turned out a lot more complicated than I expected. It makes me wonder if Walter was hiding something to change his name so completely. And to use the name of an actual person who was still alive. There must be some fraud involved there.

Other name changes in my tree have always retained the same forename and the reason for change of surname has been more straightforward i.e adopting stepfather's surname, anglicising a 'foreign' sounding surname and even in one case reverting to a surname used a couple of generations earlier. 
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 09:18 BST (UK) »
Had to sit this morning and draw a timeline for this so apologies for this post.

1902 Birth if Walter Charles Ponying 22.11.1902 -Islington
1903 Birth of Frederica Rosa Hodges 31.12.1903 -Worcs
1906 Birth of George Edwin Jackson 06.10.1906 - Worcs
1924 Marriage of Frederica Rosa SLACK to Charles Pethord Miles 10.2.1924 - Islington
1926 Marriage of Walter Charles Poning to Alice Mary Ann Morris
1927 Death of Charles Pethord Miles-Worcs
1929 Frederica Rosa Miles marries George Edwin Jackson -Worcs
1934 Eric A W Merry marries Eliza L Daws -Finsbury
1936 Electoral Reg Frederica Rosa with husband George Edwin Jackson
1936-1945 Breakdown of marriage/divorce of Frederica & George Edwin Jackson
1939 Register Walter POnying in the household of Frederica R Jackson
1945 Death of Alice Mary Ann Ponting
1946 Marriage of Cissie Stubbs to Walter Charles Ponting/George Edwin Jackson
1946-1961 Either breakdown of marriage/divorce of Walter Ponting/George Edwin Jackson
1960 Death of Eliza L Merry Essex SW
1961 Frederica Rosa Jackson marries Eric A W Merry Essex S W
1965 Electoral Reg Frederica & Eric Merry at 126 Palmerston Road
1974 Walter Charles Ponting/George Edwin Jackson dies dob 22.11.1902-Hatfield
1976 Cissie Jackson dies dob 12.3.1894-
1976 Eric Arthur Merry dies dob 20.2.1908-Waltham Forest (died 13.3.1976) probate record)
1983 George Edwin Jackson dies dob 6.10.1906
1990 Frederica Rosa Merry dies dob 31.10.1903-Enfield

Glad I got that off my chest.
Think we may have got to the bottom of your post LizzieL

John


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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 10:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all that - I was just starting to put together a time line, but it was taking me so long.
Didn't George / Walter die in 1974 not 1976?

On Cissie's probate it gave an address in Welwyn GC, which is Hatfield Registration district, so I'm wondering whether their marriage did break down after all. Her probate says admin with will, so presumably there was something which made the will invalid or executor had died. Maybe George / Walter was a beneficiary and / or executor and she hadn't updated her will after he pre-deceased her.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:14 BST (UK) »
I wonder where the real George Edwin Jackson was in 1939. On the register Frederica is #1 on the list implying head of household. #2 is redacted so the person would be less than 100 years old. There are sign of tail near the beginning of the surname (under a of Jackson), possibly g, j or y. Another tail -possibly the comma separating surname and forename - is between s and o of Jackson, so likely to be a short surname. Possibly the real George had already left Frederica and all three of the other people in the household were lodgers.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all that - I was just starting to put together a time line, but it was taking me so long.
Didn't George / Walter die in 1974 not 1976?

On Cissie's probate it gave an address in Welwyn GC, which is Hatfield Registration district, so I'm wondering whether their marriage did break down after all. Her probate says admin with will, so presumably there was something which made the will invalid or executor had died. Maybe George / Walter was a beneficiary and / or executor and she hadn't updated her will after he pre-deceased her.

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:35 BST (UK) »
Lizzie L
Your'e quite right with death in 1974, an error on my part, have amended post.
A little more info.
The marriage of Charles Miles & Frederica had issue of 1 child, Marian Miles born 9.2.1925 Worcs. She first married a Francis Rich in 1944 and secondly to Lionel Lowry. She died 25.4.2014, Leyton Essex

Both before and after her marriage to George Edwin Jackson their union appears to have produced 2 children.
1 Peter Edwin Jackson 1928
2. Doreen SLACK Jackson born 27.4.1930 Worcs. She appears in 1939 away at school. She marries in 1953 to George A Bethell, children born and can be found on Freebmd, and dies as Doreen Slack Bethell in 2013 .
As for George Edwin Jackson (1906) cant find him after 1936 electoral reg until his death in 1983.

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Re: Who was Cissie's mysterious husband?
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you again, Marian Miles might be the redacted entry - it's a short surname.
I've just ordered Cissie's will, estimated delivery 1st July
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott