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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 11:25 BST (UK) »
I was hoping that Julia Riceís burial could be found after your post re Grace but I found this which might solve that question re Houghton le Spring.
As you can see, it says residence is Seaham Harbour.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCX5-8JS
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 13:06 BST (UK) »
So now that I have the right age for John - abt 1823 is this him?

1851 - wife Turet
1861 - wife Grace
1871 - widowed (age a bit younger b 1829)
Death March 1876 Easington - John Rice 53 yrs b 1823

Just mulling this over, the one with wife Catherine is the Lodging housekeeper, as is the one in 1871 both in John Street   :-\
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 14:05 BST (UK) »
Grace's burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-64GF?i=795&cat=825520

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jenB

I'm watching your searches with interest.
Lots of ladies here: 'Turet' - Grace - Julia - Catherine...

(Johnson Street in Sunderland is very close to the docks area.)

Please can you spell out for me what you're thinking?

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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 14:27 BST (UK) »
Grace's burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-64GF?i=795&cat=825520

Just adding something:
John Rice + Grace Connolly (nee Fairbairn, must be) were married in Fulwell [Sunderland] on 23 Feb 1863 (see FindMyPast).
So these two aren't married on the 1861 census, the wedding came later.
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 14:31 BST (UK) »
Grace's burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-64GF?i=795&cat=825520

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jenB

I'm watching your searches with interest.
Lots of ladies here: 'Turet' - Grace - Julia - Catherine...

(Johnson Street in Sunderland is very close to the docks area.)

Please can you spell out for me what you're thinking?

D

Iím wondering how Johnson Street, Sunderland fits in here  ??? have I missed something.

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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 15:02 BST (UK) »
Ah, I understand. Grace died in Sunderland.

So do you think that eliminates John and Grace from the search?
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 15:14 BST (UK) »
Ah, I understand. Grace died in Sunderland.

So do you think that eliminates John and Grace from the search?

Grace's burial shows her as the wife of John Rice, labourer, which fits with the 1861 census occupation  :-\
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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 15:29 BST (UK) »
Ah, I understand. Grace died in Sunderland.

So do you think that eliminates John and Grace from the search?

Heywood
I'm trying to knit together (or unravel!) all these details.

I was looking at the address given with Grace's burial (I know Sunderland well) to see if it fitted with any of the other details we have, and I found it's by the docks.

Certainly an older John Rice married a Catherine Wynne in Easington in the 1850s, and it looks like these 2 were running a Seaham lodging house in John St. on the North side of the railway.

Also a different John Rice (labourer) married a Grace Fairbairn/Connolly in 1863 and these two lived in Seaham on the South side of the railway, with what may be Grace's children from her marriage to the mariner David Connolly.

Returning to the originally mentioned John Rice (dock labourer) + the mysterious 'Turet' Rice + son Michael Rice on the 1851, in Back South Railway street - I really don't think this man can be the lodging house keeper. But he could be the John who marries Grace.

I know that people shifted relationships without getting divorced... Many times I've seen 'widower' written down when it's nothing of the sort - the partner has been dumped or abandoned. Our 'Turet' may be alive and well somewhere else in Seaham, and not 6 feet under at all.

So I am still looking for a marriage for a John Rice plus 'Turet' which produced a son Michael (aged 11 in 1851), supposedly associated with Blackburn Lancs, which may well be true even if we can't find a record.

So No, I haven't eliminated John + Grace. This could be our John. But we need firm details of his earlier relationship.

What could they have been doing in Blackburn in about 1840? They ought to show up on a 1841 census, and we'd be able to gauge what 'Turet' should be.

D