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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 16:42 BST (UK) »


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Thank you for the benefit of your detailed knowledge, it's really helpful.

'There is no "always"'...  for which I am most glad!  It means we can interpret, rather than having to accept these writings as the final truth.

Thank you too for sharing facts about your own family. Knowing more about family traditions and customs is valuable in understanding 'how things work'. There is no 'always', but there are regular patterns and practices, aren't there.
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 16:47 BST (UK) »

What I would do if my family is check out extended family to see if it is a maiden surname being used as a first/middle name, (lots of families used their middle name as their given name) so an old surname even a poorly/wrongly spelt one and check out what names were given to children in the extended family....

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Checking out the extended family is a great idea of yours.

I'll see if I can find out more about this RICE family (wife called Turet)... I think a Rootschat member has just popped up some useful details for the husband John RICE, so I'll follow this up... maybe others would help too? I think we're getting there...

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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 16:54 BST (UK) »
I think I have a clue...
I've found Irish baptisms of children (gender unknown) with similar-sounding first names e.g.
Terit Bohan (baptised Co. Galway) [Bohan is the surname]
Teread Driscoll (bapt. 1929 Cork)
Territt Ellard (bapt 1892 Kildare)


Terit Bohan is Sarah if you look closely.
Territt Ellard is male.

With regards to Terit being Sarah, I wondered about that but still doesn’t look  right.
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 16:55 BST (UK) »
Consideration perhaps?

There is an entry in 1861 - still Seaham Harbour

1861 3748 /25/58

John Rice 50yrs
Catherine 25 yrs

Your John was 50 in 1851.

Marriage June quarter 1856 Easington
John Rice and Catherine Wynne

Death March quarter 1856
Julia Rice 60yrs

‘Turet’ Rice was 40 yrs in 1851

Heywood, thank you

Definitely worth considering, yes; this could be a second marriage for John Rice, to a Catherine (Easington is only a few miles from Seaham).

We'd need to find a death for a female Rice between 1851 - 1856 (the Turet).
Julia aged 60 is rather too old.. but another Christian name might be findable in the same area...

I've chased up an Irish neighbour of John + Turet, a Peter Roper (also a dock labourer) and he remained in the Seaham area till he died, and his descendants made it their home.

So it's very possible that the 1851 John Rice had continuing work in Seaham, if his colleague Peter did, and John stayed there.

What's the occupation of the 1861 John Rice, Seaham Harbour?

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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 16:59 BST (UK) »
I think I have a clue...
I've found Irish baptisms of children (gender unknown) with similar-sounding first names e.g.
Terit Bohan (baptised Co. Galway) [Bohan is the surname]
Teread Driscoll (bapt. 1929 Cork)
Territt Ellard (bapt 1892 Kildare)


Terit Bohan is Sarah if you look closely.
Territt Ellard is male.

With regards to Terit being Sarah, I wondered about that but still doesn’t look  right.

Helpful!
I couldn't see originals, only indexes. (Which are often wrong!)

'Terit' Bohan = Sarah, OK.

The Turet on the 1851 Seaham doesn't look like a Sarah, try as I might.
I wondered 'Janet', but it's definitely not a J in first place.

I'm now looking for deaths between 1851 - 56, surname RICE.
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 18:32 BST (UK) »
Easington is the registration district for Seaham Harbour where they are living.

John is a Lodging house keeper in 1861. The address 20, John Street.

With regard to the ages, the John in 1861 is the same age as John in 1851.
Ages varied so perhaps not to be  dismissed outright.
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 18:41 BST (UK) »
There is the name Derry.

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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 19:41 BST (UK) »
Easington is the registration district for Seaham Harbour where they are living.

John is a Lodging house keeper in 1861. The address 20, John Street.

With regard to the ages, the John in 1861 is the same age as John in 1851.
Ages varied so perhaps not to be  dismissed outright.

Heywood
Ages varied, agreed; age seems to have been anything they wanted, according to the occasion! (or an observer's guess). [My grandmother always said she was 37, regardless.]

What I can see online is this:

Census Seaham 1851 John Rice [+ Turet] - his age is '30'; dock labourer.
   ... [there is a marriage 1856 in Easington, a John Rice to Catherine Wynne]
Census Seaham 1861 John Rice, his age 50, + Catherine age 25; lodging house keeper, North John Street;
Census Seaham 1871 John Rice widower, cart man + lodging house keeper, John Street; his age in the index is supposedly '42' but I can see 72...

There is more than one John Rice born Ireland floating about, but the Seaham John Rice/s could all be the same man.
 
There's a Catherine Wynne in Liverpool on the 1851, new immigrant, born Ireland, dau. of a dock labourer. (The Irish workers in Seaham often entered via Liverpool and came over to the east.)

What I'd like the records to say is:
1851: John Rice aged 50 (not 30). The enumerator made an error in his reading; 50 would make more sense, since in 1851 John's son Michael is 11 and his wife is 40...

Then in 1861 John should be 60, not 50 [he's represented himself as younger, because of his much younger 2nd wife];

And then in 1871 he's a widower at 70+.. which would fit.

Can't find a death for a Durham-based 70+ John Rice after 1871, can you see anything likely?
Nor a death for a Catherine Rice, which would make John a widower...

This doesn't help us much with the TURET, either, but it's interesting!
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Re: Irish Christian name TURET, does it exist?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 19:49 BST (UK) »
Yes I think it is 30 yrs  ::)
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