William James OSBORNE

[Lucy2]

ok   william  james osborne  is living   with rose  mabel ella osborne and with   rose's   son  melville william  holmes   the   William james that   rose  mabel married  died in 1931   he was  my  grandfathers  brother,so the   WJ showing in  electoral  rolls has to  be  a son  after 1931.

Kinky d

I'm not disputing that a William James OSBORNE  b. c. 1888 (s/o William and Mary) died in 1931 - there is evidence in the newspaper notice to that effect.   
[No notice though to say he was also husband of Rose Mabel ?? ]

And right up until 1954  (Waitakere roll) ... when Rose Mabel OSBORNE has already had several changes of address, (and the opportunity to correct her then status), she's recorded as "married" ??   ]


The 1935 and 1938 (Auckland Central) electoral rolls also show a "William James OSBORNE - waterside worker" at same address as Rose Mabel OSBORNE (married).
**   So why these listings if the husband died in 1931 ... and the son is not yet of voting age  ??

Electoral / voting rolls / Post Office-type address directories, can not be considered totally reliable sources- you should always back up with other "evidence",  preferably in the form of official records.

I do note that William James OSBORNE on 1919 Auckland Central roll (with Rose Mabel at Victoria Street) is listed as "soldier".   [And the only NZ Army file for a man of that name is for the man who had wed Frances Mary LOWE in 1915.    ODD - he enlisted at Auckland in October 1917 - gave his mother-in-law (Mrs LOWE) as his next of kin (possibly she raised his child Alfred C.H. ?)  He gave details of his marriage - and stated also that he was at that time married - and yet his wife Frances had been dead for a year ?     His occupation was "meat grader" at Westfield Freezing Co.  (previously in 1911 he was a butcher ) ... and later listed as a farmer of Otahuhu.   ]
NZ Army file - William James OSBORNE (b. 1888) >
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21382878&digital=yes

If you have access to a local library which has the microfiche record of New Zealand Births, then you could search those for the several years in which you think the "William James OSBORNE" son, might have been born.    [Online, NZ Births only available up to "today's date", 1921. ]

The OSBORNE names you quoted earlier from the 1970's and 1980's electoral rolls, seem to have been from an unrelated family - resident in Waikato - search back to 1963.

    ~  Lu 

Edited to correct text and to add link.  + further text correction for more clarity

[kiwihalfpint]

I have asked the Moderators to remove possible living names.


Cheers
KHP

[Lucy2]

Thanks very much KHP.   

    ~  Lu

[kinky d]

Lucy2    thank you for your patients with    me, I was  given  1919  marriage by a  rellie    and they have passed away  a while ago  now and  only  looked at    it  now.  found this    early hours  this   morning (hope attachment works)  learning  dont always  trust  rellies work  I will get  the  1919
 marriage cert and  go from there.

kiwihalfpint    thank you too, wasnt sure how to remove the   names .

[minniehaha]

Is this the family as per your attachment shown above?

Record for William James Osborne
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Tally Clerk
Date of death
5 December 1931
Age at death
43 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Nonconformist Division D, Row 15, Plot 64
Remains type
Body
Date of burial
6 December 1931
Funeral director
Watney Sibuns And Sons Limited

Record for Mary Osborne
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Spinster
Date of death
14 May 1954
Age at death
65 years
Gender
Female
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
14 May 1954
Funeral director
Tilton Opie And Pattinson Limited


Births:

1889/11611   Osborne   Mary         Mary   William Caleb
1888/1183   Osborne   William James   Mary      William Caleb
1886/1345   Osborne   Nellie   Mary         William Caleb


Minniehaha.

[kinky d]

yes  it  is minniehaha  the first  3  died in a house fire in 1884 Cambridge  the rest were  born in Auckland, from  Nellie  in 1886 to   leslie jack in  1904. I think I will have to  start   again with   the marriage of  rose   to  william in  1919, it the  last  bit to confirm. It the  only  bit  of  info   that  has been weird 

Cheers  kinky

[minniehaha]

I am aware that you have already 'been down this track' but as a matter of interest, did you obtain  newspaper death notices for these three people?

1959/26590   Osborne   Rose Mabel Ella   65Y

[Died 12.6.1959]


1969/48496   Holmes   Ellen   68Y

[Died 21.5.1969]

1974/26553   Holmes   Melville William   28 August 1918

[Died 12.3.1974]


Minniehaha.

[kinky d]

yes have  minniehaha thank you I am  going to  get the mariage cert  for   william   and rose. I am  starting to think   my  Aunt  got it all wrong on them as I been  going over what  everyone here  has   given me, as there no one of  right age to  ask anymore in family so   back to   basic's. I thank  everyone  who  has   taken time to  try and help, and  has made  me  look again  at   my  information

Cheers kinky

[minniehaha]

Can you tell us please if a spouse was named in the death notice for Melville William Holmes? Name? [If known to be deceased.]

[Make sure you apply for a marriage printout. It will be cheaper, may contain more information than a certificate and can be e-mailed to you.    ]


Minniehaha.