William James OSBORNE

[minniehaha]

Death notice for father of "Mrs. Osborne"......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380624.2.2.2?end_date=31-12-1938&items_per_page=10&page=3&query=melville+osborne&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1938&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG%2cSUNAK&type=ARTICLE

I know you have been down this track but there does seem to be a connection between Rose and the illegitimate birth in 1918. [Reply #1]

Minniehaha.


Minniehaha.

[kinky d]

oh    neat     thank you   

kinky

[minniehaha]

Expanding on the details to be found in the link @ reply#3.....

Marriage:

1917/4625   Ellen   Gunthorpe   William Allan   Heenan


Divorce- William Allan Heenan & Ellen Heenan

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=6699350

Added:

Separation order [1920]- refused.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19200515.2.87?phrase=2&query=ellen+heenan&snippet=true

Decree nisi [1941]…


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19410611.2.61?phrase=2&query=ellen+heenan&snippet=true


Marriage of Melville William Holmes to Ellen Heenan* took place later. Will PM details.

*She remarried using her maiden name of Gunthorpe.

Death:

1969/48496   Holmes   Ellen   68Y


Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

Police record:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/periodicals/NZPG19380330.2.10?end_date=31-12-1960&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=melville+holmes&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1911&title=NZPG

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380226.2.194?end_date=31-12-1951&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=melville+william+holmes&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1920

Minniehaha.

[Lucy2]

William James OSBORNE  is  son  of  William  James  Osborne and Rose  Mabel Ella  HOLMES.
William  and  Rose married on 18 Aug 1919, this is second marriage.
William is  with  his  Mum  in 1949  Auckland  as a watersider , then I  find  him  with  [name removed as possibly still alive] ?? in 1974  electoral roll last   time in   electoral roll is 1981.

Hi kinky

Some questions for you :   

Q:   How do you know that William James OSBORNE and  Rose Mabel Ella OSBORNE had a son named "William James"  ??

Q:   When was this child "William James", born  ??   Year ??

Q:    Why do you say "this was a second marriage " [William James OSBORNE and Rose Mabel Ella HOLMES - 1919]   ...   and which of them was marrying for a second time     Do you have the marriage record (printout or cert. )    
 [Incidentally, "Rose" appears to have been known to her family as Mabel.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19230129.2.5]


Q:   How do you know that it is in fact "William James OSBORNE - the son" on that 1949 electoral roll  ??      [Do you have evidence of the father/husband of same name, having died before 1949 ] ??

-----

Q:   And why do you say ["William is with his mum in 1949" ...  ] and then give names of two people from 1974 and 1981 electoral rolls

Incidentally, the two persons you've mentioned on the 1974 and 1981 rolls, may well still  be alive, in which case it is prudent to remove their names from this thread.
---

I have some info which suggests the 1974/1981 male you mention, is very likely not related to the William James/Rose Mabel Ella OSBORNE family.   
But first it would be helpful, if you could answer the above questions please.   

     ~  Lu

Edited to remove name of a person who may still be living.

[kinky d]

Name:   Frances Mary Lowe
Gender:   Female
Marriage Year:   1915
Marriage Place:   New Zealand
Spouse:   William James Osborne
Relation:   Bride (Wife)
Folio Number:   5021
Name:   Frances Mary Osborne
Death Date:   Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Registration Place:   Otorohanga, Auckland, New Zealand
Folio Number:   2871

1915/17152   Osborne   Alfred Cyril Harcourt   Frances Mary   William James   birth   of  alfred

Record for William James Osborne
Date of birth

Occupation
Tally Clerk
Date of death
5 December 1931
Age at death
43 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Nonconformist Division D, Row 15, Plot 64
Remains type
Body
Date of burial
6 December 1931
Funeral director
Watney Sibuns And Sons Limited

AUCKLAND STAR, VOLUME LXII, ISSUE 289, 7 DECEMBER 1931, PAGE 1
On December 5, 1931, at Auckland, William James Osborne, eldest son of the late William and Mary Osborne; aged 43 years. Interred yesterday at Waikumete Cemetery.

Name:   William James Osborne
Gender:   Male
Marriage Year:   1919
Marriage Place:   New Zealand
Spouse:   Rose Mabel Ella Holmes
Relation:   Bridegroom
Folio Number:   5108
electoral roll 1946  william james  osborne  9  range view  ave  Mt albert
rose  mabel  ella   9 range view ave   Mt albert

[kinky d]

William James Osborne    has to the the  son   of  rose and william  as he  is in  elctoral  rolls with  her till 1954


minniehaha  oh thank you so  much  for the  links 

[kiwihalfpint]

then I  find  him  with   ?? in 1974  electoral roll last   time in   electoral roll is 1981.

Cheers  Kinky

I tend to agree with Lu,  that the above is a totally different William.   I can't see a Watersider changing careers, they usually stay until they retire. 

Cheers
KHP

[kinky d]

hmm     yes    not thought of   that   ok  so  where  did  my  bloke  go, those I have tracked  to young at  death, mine has to be  born  1919 or   middle  20s  if  he  21 in 1946 that makes  1925  for  birth. you had to  be 21   to  vote. I have  all his  brothers  and  2 sisters.

kiwihalfpint  thanks  need that pointing out  lol  so another  dead  end