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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 00:23 BST (UK) »
Hi
You have certainly found something interesting. But, yes, a long way back.

With not much idea of what we are looking for!
Allegations, Libels, and Sentence Books
Feb 1755-Nov 1764 DL/C/174

Personal Answer Books
May 1760-May 1796 DL/C/203

Deposition Books
Dec 1771-June 1776 DL/C/279

I'm (quickly) browsing through a Bristol University thesis, Women and Marriage in the Eighteenth Century, Evidence from the London Church Courts, 1730-1780
https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/34492250/322522.pdf

No time to study it in depth tonight though!

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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 00:29 BST (UK) »
Deposition Books
Dec 1771-June 1776 DL/C/279

That's the wrong one!
April 1760-Jan 1769  DL/C/276

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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 01:40 BST (UK) »
That thesis is interesting on its own account.

On page 214 in a helpful appendix is

The whole procedure of both the Commissary and Consistory courts were
conducted by ajudge in an open court, where the verdict and sentence was
orally delivered. An account of the proceedings was entered into an Act Book, where each entry recorded the name of the judge, his authority, the place of the
session,the date and the name of the recording notary, before giving details of the accused, the name of the parish, the grounds of the accusation and the
proceedings against him or her. All accounts by this period were written in
English, and are generally clearly legible and easy to read. All evidence of the
proceedingswererecordedinchronological order,andonthewholewere alphabetically indexed at the beginning or end of each register.
The process began with a `citation' (a subpoena) being served for the accused to
appear in court. The citation named the judge, the day and place of the court, the
person cited and the accusation.
The defendant rejected the libel by making an `allegation' to the judge. If the judge accepted the allegation, the defendant was
called to prove it by production and examination of witnesses. The `interrogatories' were records of the examinations and the replies given, which
asverbatim copies of the evidence were called `depositions'. Causeswere
reliant on a written testament from each party. "" The defendant was then given
the opportunity to respond with a `counter allegation' and would support this by producing witnesses. The judge would then assign a date for the sentence to be
After the sentence was given, an order (the `taxation of costs') was made
for thepaymentsof costsandtheperformanceof apenancewhereappropriate.


So, the document I have is the bit I have in bold.
So I am looking, as I understand it,  for an Allegation, and then Interrogatories

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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 06:46 BST (UK) »
Yes, all those references I quoted were from Primary Sources, at the end of the thesis. Which has been more useful than the LMA catalogue to date.


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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 20:36 BST (UK) »
The published work on the Consistory Court has mainly focussed on depositions: there's an early modern one from late 16th early 17th century, and a very useful index by Cliff Webb 1700-1713 under the name 'London's Bawdy Courts'. So, unfortunately, not for the dates you need.

Is the case reference for the paper that you have is this?

DL/C/1492/026

which, the catalogue claims, includes two documents.

There are contemporary calendars to depositions, so a short cut would be to check one of those for the relevant dates and see if anything turns up. It would also be an indication of how far the dispute went and whether there is more litigation to find.

Johnson, Thacker, Clarke, Cawthorn, Scott, Sharpe, Jordan.

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Re: Consistory Court London, Common Hall, Doctors Commons, St Benedict. 1764
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 20:45 BST (UK) »
Yes, that is the reference to what I have.
The two documents are two pages.

One is the citation itself and the other is  the note saying it has been served and the date of service.

Thank  you for that advice,