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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 29 June 21 13:35 BST (UK) »
Maiden Stone,  which William Wilson was the shoemaker in Whalley?

I found him through Lancashire Online Parish Clerks. I also found Moses Wilson, baptised at Clitheroe on that website. www.lan-opc.org.uk
It's a free, volunteer-run website. Has transcriptions of parish registers + some other data (e.g. some workhouse admissions, census transcriptions for a few places). You can search individual parish registers or use "Ancestor Search" pages, focussing on a church or place or doing a county-wide search. When searching within a specified distance of a named church, results show number of miles each one is from the selected church. I usually search for marriages in a wider radius than for baptisms and burials as spouses may have lived in different parishes and young courting couples may have walked (or later cycled) a few miles to meet each other.
 LAN-OPC began with transcriptions of Church of England registers. Some Catholic and Non-Conformist registers have been added in recent years. (Not all Catholic and Non-Conformist registers survived.) A new batch of registers are on the "What's New?" page this week. I check "What's New?" at least once a month. There's a county map which can be enlarged.

Another essential free site for Lancashire family history research is Lancashire BMD. Volunteers have created an index to births, marriages and deaths (from 1837) taken from original certificates. This index has fewer transcription errors than the national GRO index as Lancs. BMD is indexed from original certificates.

Heywood has found William the shoemaker + 2 of his children on a census. Cordwainer is another term for shoemaker.
Children of William Wilson, shoemaker & Jane, his wife, baptised at St. Mary & All Saints, Whalley:
Richard 1819; Alice 1823; Elizabeth 1828; Mary Anne 1830; Charlotte 1832; Thomas 1835.
This may be Jane's burial at Whalley in 1838: Jane Wilson age 41, wife of William, abode Whalley.

Moses Wilson who was baptised at St. Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe 1824 also had parents William & Jane. (There seem to have been several William & Jane couples in Clitheroe and Whalley parishes.)
Possible siblings of Moses baptised at St. Mary Magdalene:
Sarah 1815; Richard 1818; Thomas 1821; William was a labourer, abode Mearley.
Possible burial of mother, Jane, aged 67 at St. Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe 1850.

The only George Wilson baptism in the right time-frame at Clitheroe I could find was 1802, parents William & Susan.
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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 29 June 21 13:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much, Maiden Stone.
Very very good to know about these sources of information, esp as nearly all of my wife's family have lived in Lancs.

By the way. I ve found a few times in census as the place of birth something like Easom or Easum.
However I couldn't find a place or a word like Easum. What is the meaning of Easum?

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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 29 June 21 14:05 BST (UK) »
Could it be Heysham?
I think that is mentioned earlier.
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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 29 June 21 14:43 BST (UK) »
Could it be Heysham?
I think that is mentioned earlier.

Reply #9. A pronunciation of Heysham is Eeshum. Take into account that the letter h is often dropped in Lancashire speech. Conversely, some clerks added h before a vowel when writing down a name or place, assuming the speaker had dropped h.
If it's from a census, remember that entries in a census enumerator's book are his transcriptions of household returns. He collected one from each household and copied information into his book. He had to decipher handwriting of many different people.
There's Eastham Street in Clitheroe, off Waddington Road. Also a house and farm called Eastham  W. of the town of Clitheroe and N. of the village of Mitton. (Correction. That should be Great Mitton; apology for the slight to Great Mitton's image of itself.  ;D My mother called it Mitton, a destination of her childhood summer outings.)   
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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 29 June 21 18:03 BST (UK) »
It definately could be Heysham. I think it really is.  :)    Got it now. Thank you.  And yes, it's from a census.

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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 19:14 BST (UK) »
Another point about the Wilson's family:
Here is the tree
George Wilson (b 1806 ?) => David H Wilson (b 1852) => Walter Wilson (b 1874) => Harry Wilson


What about this:
Baptism: 5 Dec 1906 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Harry Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Caroline (formerly Watts)
    Born: 3 Oct
    Abode: Public Baths   (this is correct !!!)
    Occupation: Caretaker of Baths    (this is correct !!!)
    Baptised by: J. W. Clarke
    Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1908, Page 159, Entry 1271
    Source: Manchester Central Library
Baptism: 11 Apr 1909 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Harry Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Carolina (formerly Watts)
    Born: 20 Oct 1906
    Godparents: Margaret Keighley
    Notes: Conditional
    Baptised by: Fr Andrew O'Rourke
    Source: Private Transcription

And Harry's sister:
Baptism: 11 Apr 1909 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Constance Maria Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Carolina (formerly Watts)
    Born: 23 Oct 1902
    Godparents: Margaret Keighley
    Notes: Conditional
    Baptised by: Fr Andrew O'Rourke
    Source: Private Transcription

St Mary is catholic, St Peter is anglican. Right?

Do you see any connection the above mentioned catholic family in Ribchester?

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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 20:41 BST (UK) »
Walter had 7 bro's and sis's. All born 1870-1890 in Newchurch amd Bacup. Not a single parish record (baptism or marriage)...

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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 01 July 21 15:56 BST (UK) »

What about this:
Baptism: 5 Dec 1906 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Harry Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Caroline (formerly Watts)
    Born: 3 Oct
    Abode: Public Baths   (this is correct !!!)
    Occupation: Caretaker of Baths    (this is correct !!!)
    Baptised by: J. W. Clarke
    Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1908, Page 159, Entry 1271
    Source: Manchester Central Library
Baptism: 11 Apr 1909 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Harry Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Carolina (formerly Watts)
    Born: 20 Oct 1906
    Godparents: Margaret Keighley
    Notes: Conditional
    Baptised by: Fr Andrew O'Rourke
    Source: Private Transcription

And Harry's sister:
Baptism: 11 Apr 1909 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Constance Maria Wilson - [Child] of Walter Wilson & Carolina (formerly Watts)
    Born: 23 Oct 1902
    Godparents: Margaret Keighley
    Notes: Conditional
    Baptised by: Fr Andrew O'Rourke
    Source: Private Transcription

St Mary is catholic, St Peter is anglican. Right?

Swinton churches by denomination
 www.lan-opc.org.uk/Salford/Swinton/index.html
One parent may have been Anglican and one Catholic or one or both converted.
 
Was this a relative?
Baptism St. Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton 25th March 1909
Carolina Wilson child of Thomas Wilson & Sarah Jane (formerly Roebuck)
Born  23rd April 1876. Abode Baths, Jane Lane.
There were other Wilson conversions in St. Mary Immaculate baptism register.

Birth of Constance Mary Wilson 1902 registered in Bacup sub-district.
Marriage registration of Walter Wilson & Caroline Watts 1898 Bacup St. Saviours
(Lancashire BMD)
The Catholic Church in England didn't require Catholics to marry in a Catholic church until 1908.


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Re: Pls help with George Wilson, born about 1806 in Clitheroe, looking for parents
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 01 July 21 16:22 BST (UK) »
How peculiar, Maiden Stone

I ve got
Caroline Watts, b 23 apr 1877, Rawmarsh, Yorkshire, daughter of Thomas Watts and Sarah Jane Watts (former Roebuck)
Bapt 21 Sep 1880, St Mary the Virgin, Rawmarsh

This can't be coincidence, can it?

Walter Wilson's wife ...