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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 04 July 21 18:56 BST (UK) »
The only Eliza Averill that I find in the correct time frame is born 1886 in Lurganagoose to Robert Averill and Mary Ann Semple, with grandmother Sarah Averill present at Eliza's birth. But there is no Margaret or Mary Ann in Lizzie's daughters.

I didn't look past 1885 so I missed that one, but here are 2 more. one pretty close to Lizzie's census ages and one much older:


is she
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Name:   
Elizabeth Averell
Birth Date:   9 Feb 1881
Birthplace:    Ireland
Birthplace (Original):   Clones, Monaghan, Ireland
Father's Name:    Thomas Averell
Mother's Name:   Alice Jane Averell Hall

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRSP-FHW
   
in Poundhill, Clones, father a fireman, mother's maiden: Hall. informant: Annie McGrath (her mark), nursetender, present at birth

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02839/2040585.pdf

but she is the only Averell/Averill birth  in Clones from 1875 to 1885, so no help with siblings for this child.

or is she Eliza Averell
born 6 October 1875, dau of Robert and Margaret (McDonald) Averell of Tobermore, RD Maghera, Co Derry (Londonderry), father was a matchmaker, and was the informant

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03084/2130595.pdf

lots of Averills in Magherafelt area. I didn't try to sort them out.

but you will need a US record with her parents' names to identify her - or 2 or 3 siblings in the same small part of America - I sometimes settle for that. 
 

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:05 BST (UK) »
We really need that marriage record to Benjamin Watterson, hoping it has lots of info on it. Or her death record which we haven't found yet. I am trying to recall, were there parents mentioned on Lillian's marriage to James B. White?
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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:31 BST (UK) »

orr is she Eliza Averell
born 6 October 1875, dau of Robert and Margaret (McDonald) Averell of Tobermore, RD Maghera, Co Derry (Londonderry), father was a matchmaker, and was the informant


https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03084/2130595.pdf

 

Elizabeth Eliza Averell married Robert Wallace 30 August 1906 Philadelphia Pennsylvania.

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North Cedar Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136706524/elizabeth-wallace

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:33 BST (UK) »
I am trying to recall, were there parents mentioned on Lillian's marriage to James B. White?

It was only taken from an index of marriages  :-\

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #49 on: Monday 05 July 21 09:48 BST (UK) »
Going back to the 1940 census 2321 Second Street Philadelphia - think its mentioned in a thread somewhere.

Samuel White   64   Head
Bertha White 64   Wife
Benjamin Watterson 69   Lodger. born 1871. Widowed. NA.
William Stulman 69   Lodger
Robert Wade 44   Lodger
Robert Dempster 45   Lodger
Robert Dempster Jr 16   Lodger
James McGlynn 61   Lodger
Ellen Watterson 63   Lodger. born Ireland. Widowed. NA. Age at first marriage 25 years. Had 2 children.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MT-18Z5?i=23&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKQWY-1MT

Samuel White was also married in Camden NJ to Bertha Bradley 7 July 1895 - same as Benjamin and Lizzie - reply 42 other thread - your awaiting the certificate for Benjamin.  (coincidence ?)

On the death certificate for Samuel White  19 September 1945 - parents were John White and Martha Brown.  Buried N. Cedar Hill Cemetery.

Samuel naturalized 7/2/1940 - 2321 N Second. Philadelphia. PA.
Samuel was widowed.
Samuel immigrated from Co Antrim Ireland on SS Umbria arriving July 1893. ( The White surname was interesting and again coincidence - wonder if Lizzie was first married to Everall/Averill and then to Benjamin Watterson ?)

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Another mystery was who was Ellen Watterson ?

I believe that Ellen Watterson on this census with Samuel was most probably Ellen Hyde Wray who married John Payson Watterson in 1892 Philadelphia.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZWQR-XF2M

The 1910 census states she had 7 children and 6 survive. (not 2 as the 1940 was transcribed as stating)  I believe all the children were adopted.

Florence Ruth Watterson 1893 - Jane Hyde (Jennie) 1895 - Joseph Fergusson 1898 - David 1899 - Hamilton John 1901 - (Lewis in 1908 after the death of husband John)

John Payson Watterson died in 1904

Death Notice :-
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
9 Jan 1904, Sat    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80826176/john-p-watterson-9-january-1904/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80826181/column-2/



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Cedar Hill Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85199758/john-p-watterson

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DY7Q-31N?i=413&cc=1320976&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJDGL-PJ1

John Payson Watterson was the son of John Watterson 1825 and Elizabeth Jane Fergusson 1832 - 1870

John Kayren Watterson - John Payson Watterson
Baptism Age 2 - Birth Date 17 Feb 1865
Baptism Date 1 Jan 1868 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Presbyterian - Presbyterian Church of Frankford
Father Johh Watterson
Mother Eliza Jane Watterson

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Elizabeth Jane Watterson

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85200526/elizabeth-jane-watterson

and daughter Mollie McIntyre Watterson 1862 - 1900

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144184751/mollie-mcintyre-watterson

1870 census shows widowed father John Watterson/Waterson with the children.

Anne Mcgaw 41 - house-keeper.
John Waterson 50
Mary Waterson 8
Joseph Waterson 6
John Waterson 4
Harr Waterson   2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZR5-BNJ

John P Watterson on the 1880 census with brother Joseph - nephew to John Snyder.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWJD-JXD

Ellen Watterson died 13/8/1946 - malnutrition  :'(
Burial Mount Moriah 15/8/1946

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #50 on: Monday 05 July 21 13:23 BST (UK) »
Good morning, Sandra. You have done an amazing job of sorting out a complicated puzzle. I can’t find John P Watterson and Ellen on the 1900 census. If she married in 1892 she wasn’t born in 1877 as per her age in 1940 since she would only be 15. But if she married in 1892 at age 25 as per the 1940 census, that means she was born 1867. I see the children are spaced out every couple years so it seems like they were biological children as opposed to adopted. What is the indication that they were adopted?
Thanks so much for your amazing work.
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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #51 on: Monday 05 July 21 15:03 BST (UK) »
All the children were biological children and belonged to John and Ellen - after John died - all those children were adopted by other people.  :)

Ellen was born 1875 on both the 1910 and 1920 census - census ages can vary, depensing who gives the information.

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #52 on: Monday 05 July 21 15:26 BST (UK) »
IF Lizzie/Elizabeth Averell/Everall was born 1882 as per 1910 census and married 8 June 1896, there would also be a concern with the age on that one ??  That will be an interesting marriage certificate.

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Re: Death of Lizzie Watterson, 1910-1920, Philadelphia
« Reply #53 on: Monday 05 July 21 15:31 BST (UK) »
That must’ve been hard on the children to lose their father in 1904 and then be adopted thereby essentially  losing their mother. Is there any indication of who adopted the children or is it a matter of looking for them on the following censuses?
If Ellen was born in 1875, she was a young bride. Do you have her death certificate in 1946?
I am wondering who were the parents of the John Watterson who married Eliza  Jane Ferguson?
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