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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 08 July 21 17:56 BST (UK) »
I have looked at the 1881 census and it unfortunately just gives her Where Born as London, England.

In addition to this, the LDS Scottish 1881 census index also states London England. This index is available to view for free on Scotlands People.

Her entry shows as:

Dwelling: Mc Christies Land
Ellen MC MILLAN
Wife
Married
Age 32
Birth place: London, England

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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 08 July 21 18:01 BST (UK) »
William White is living in England with his daughter Agnes and her family in 1871 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51T-Q4Z

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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 08 July 21 18:38 BST (UK) »
Sorry, been at a funeral today with some family history to catch up on. As far as Ellen is concerned this is the mention of the Merchant Service on her death record.


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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 08 July 21 21:11 BST (UK) »
No need to apologise, mickawinn. Condolences.

This can all wait. You must have had a long day.

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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 08 July 21 22:09 BST (UK) »
Just looking at the death cert for Helen Muir/Thomson that Monica posted.
Does it say parents are John Thomson White and Jane White?
Interesting to see Thomson and White together like that.
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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 08 July 21 22:25 BST (UK) »
Spidery writing at the end does seem like White after Thomson for John doesn't it.

Helen's mother was a Jane Gilmour.

Robert Muir, Helen's son, looks to be a little confused on names and events likely. He completely missed of William White...but other suggestions that the couple were not together for long might mean he was rubbed out her life and the reason his name was not mentioned on her death registration? Guesses here!

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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #51 on: Friday 09 July 21 02:45 BST (UK) »
Robert Muir, Helen's son, looks to be a little confused on names and events likely.
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Yes I think he has become confused with names and 1st and 2nd marriages, and the White after Thomson is a mistake.
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #52 on: Friday 09 July 21 02:48 BST (UK) »
Children of Helen THOMSON/MUIR/ WHITE
   Robert MUIR b. 1833 Lanark
   John MUIR b. 1835 Lanark
   Jane Gilmour MUIR b. 1838 Lanark - died before 1851 census
   Hugh MUIR b. 1840 Lanark
   Margaret Anderson MUIR abt. 1842 Airdrie married R. Taggart
   William Brown MUIR abt.1845 Airdrie
   Helen MUIR abt. 1846 Airdrie married W Donald. She is on 1851 census but NOT on 1861 census
   Catherine MUIR abt.  1847 Airdrie - ? She is NOT on 1851 census, but is on 1861 census no marriage?
              ( I think Helen is the same person as Catherine)
   Jane Gilmour MUIR abt. 1849 Airdrie married Alex Browning
   Agnes MUIR  abt. 1850  Airdrie married William Perman
   Archibald MUIR abt. 1854 Old Monkland
      ----- Husband Hugh MUIR dies date unknown ?
      ----- Helen marries William WHITE Feb 1856
   Thomas WHITE b.1857 Old Monkland

COMMENTS:
The only time that Helen would be able to give birth to the child Ellen RENWICK is between Agnes and Archibald and she is supposed to go off to London to do that. I suppose it is possible if she went off with a seaman , but does it seem likely?

There is no census record for Ellen/Helen RENWICK before she marries McMILLAN. I think she was using a different surname before that, and perhaps born with a different surname.
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: John RENWICK
« Reply #53 on: Friday 09 July 21 12:56 BST (UK) »
No help really but it all adds to the mix.

In March 1886 Robert Muir aged 53  and single applied for parochial relief, he had "no home"
He was born Rawyard. New Monkland , and is  the son of Hugh Muir, waggon driver  and Helen Thomson.
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