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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 15 July 21 16:50 BST (UK) »
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I totally agree. the free access to records from Lds is amazing

Im a total non believer but interested in all religions
I didnt use to believe in ghosts or time travel
Either but personal experiences indicate spooky coincidences and events which are hard to explain.

+ I had a spiritual moment when i heard the men sing a Russian song  in a synagogue.

Maybe my ancestors reaching out to me.

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Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid smith jones,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson

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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:00 BST (UK) »
I'm very respectful of anyone's beliefs and don't for one minute insist my own ideas are necessarily right.  Mine are what I'm comfortable with.
I'm more concerned with how someone who does have religious convictions would feel about this sealing being done to one of their close relatives.

Someone with strong religious beliefs would surely be able to feel confident that their God would set it right.    :)

My take on this - and I, personally, gave up religion at the age of 13 - is that our ancestors had their OWN religious beliefs AT THAT TIME.   Why do we, in later years, think that we have the right to alter their history?  I am sure that a couple of people in one of my families would definitely NOT agree to their being 'sealed' into a different religion - both were Ministers.

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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:33 BST (UK) »
"both were Ministers"

If I totted them up, I would probably have some two dozen ministers, missionaries and deacons, not to mention hordes of miscellaneous church ladies in my tree.  None was a Mormon and I doubt that any of them ever even considered joining the LDS.  Perhaps they would have been offended to know that they would be posthumously "sealed" by someone claiming to act on their behalf [if, indeed, this indignity has befallen any of them] but they're dead now, parts of the atmosphere, soil and biosphere, so their feelings are  irrelevant.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:43 BST (UK) »
Not quite sure why their feelings are irrelevant.  They were, like everyone else in the world, WHO they were WHEN they were.  What gives anyone the right to change that, at a later date, to suit their own current ideals?


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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:53 BST (UK) »
I'm very respectful of anyone's beliefs and don't for one minute insist my own ideas are necessarily right.  Mine are what I'm comfortable with.
I'm more concerned with how someone who does have religious convictions would feel about this sealing being done to one of their close relatives.

Someone with strong religious beliefs would surely be able to feel confident that their God would set it right.    :)

My take on this - and I, personally, gave up religion at the age of 13 - is that our ancestors had their OWN religious beliefs AT THAT TIME.   Why do we, in later years, think that we have the right to alter their history?  I am sure that a couple of people in one of my families would definitely NOT agree to their being 'sealed' into a different religion - both were Ministers.

Surely they would regard any actions by adherents to another religion as irrelevant claptrap.  Don't you think that they would have confidence in their God to set it right? 
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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:58 BST (UK) »
Surely they would regard any actions by adherents to another religion as irrelevant claptrap.  Don't you think that they would have confidence in their God to set it right?

As a non-believer, I can't answer that.  However, as they were already dead by the time they were "sealed" ..................
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 15 July 21 18:12 BST (UK) »
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Surely they would regard any actions by adherents to another religion as irrelevant claptrap.  Don't you think that they would have confidence in their God to set it right?

As a non-believer, I can't answer that.  However, as they were already dead by the time they were "sealed" ..................

Well, it's not about what you believe, but what they believed, isn't it? 
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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 15 July 21 18:12 BST (UK) »
"Not quite sure why their feelings are irrelevant."

Why?  Simple, because they're dead and dead people don't have any feelings.  As for their feelings while they were alive, many of them devoted their lives to imposing their religion on other people, so they would have had few grounds for complaint.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: A minor point on LDS "sealing"
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 15 July 21 18:22 BST (UK) »
Australia's 2021 census day is currently being advertised and can be lodged online.

I am sure one of my cousins is at the ready, expecting the optional question about religion will be there.   I am not sure of their response, as it is either  Pastafarians or Calithumpians, depending on their whim at the time.   I think others in that household have responded in past years with Jedi Knights, Pollyannaists, and Granmahsmadd.

I doubt any of my cousins family would expect to be sealed after cremation and Ashes scattered....

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