Searching for William Roberts HILL

[wivenhoe]

QLD BDM birth

GILBERT Mary         18/12/1872    parents  Mary GILBERT
1873/M/680

GILBERT Mary Ellen  15/03/1874   parents  Mary GILBERT
1874/B/17197

HILL Ann Jane          03/05/1876  parents Mary GILBERT / William Robert HILL
1876/B/20673

HILL Harriett            14/04/1879  parents     Mary GILBERT
HILL Harriett            14/04/1879  parents     Mary GILBERT / William Robert HILL
1879/B/24694

HILL Gertrude          12/06/1884  parents Mary GILBERT / William Robert HILL
1884/B/32496   

Marriage
HILL William Robert     x   Mary CAMPBELL
10/07/1886
1886/B/10755

HILL William   15/03/1890   parents Mary CAMPBELL / William Robert HILL
1890/B/45466

Online trees at Ancestry, and Trove for BDM notices, have Mary Ellen, Jane, Harriett and Gertrude identified as children of William Robert HILL and Mary CAMPBELL.

Mary GILBERT would seem to be another Mary, who was not married to William Robert HILL.

What details are on the 1886 marriage certificate about origins of Mary CAMPBELL......what birthplace?

What details are on the 1874 birth certificate, Mary Ellen GILBERT,  about origins of mother Mary GILBERT

William Robert HILL would seem to be in Brisbane by 1876.

[rosie99]

Does the marriage certificate give an exact place of birth for William, are there any other Australian documents that state his place or date of birth

[Laurette]

It's taken me many years of research to finally work out the relationships of this family, particularly Mary, the wife of Willam.  The surname of Campbell is what she thought was her surname, when, in actual fact, it was Penman and the Campbells were her foster parents in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  She was named as Mary Gilbert Penman.

Regards, Laurette

[wivenhoe]

Anything here............allowing to literacy, proofreading, etc.....HILL might end up as HALL?


Brisbane Courier 30 Dec 1884
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3437609?
Three children named Mary Jane HALL, Robert HALL, and Ellen HALL, aged respectively 9, 7 and 3 1/2 years were brought before  the court as neglected children. From the evidence given by the police it appears that the children were found living in a house of ill fame kept by their mother in Ann street.
Mr Day ordered that they should be forwarded to the orphanage.

[wivenhoe]

.. His marriage certificate is the only Australian document I can find which states his age and place of birth and the names of his parents."

What documents do you have for BDM events in the lives of the people named here so far?

A birth certificate for the HILL children, QLD, should record age, birthplace, for parents - William and Mary.

[Laurette]

I have all of their children's birth certificates and they all state that he was a labourer born in Liverpool, Lancashire and that she was born in Glasgow, Scotland.

[wivenhoe]

What had happened by 1886 to enable them to marry...and why did they not marry earlier?

For each birth certificate, can you give the place of birth and the name of the informant.

[Laurette]

I'm afraid I don't know why they didn't marry sooner.  My guess would be that one of them had been married.  I've researched the passenger lists for William and chased up any married couples of that age bracket, with no luck.  Mind you, William could have disembarked at Melbourne or Sydney and made his way up to Brisbane.  I don't fully understand the need to know where the children were born and who were the informants.

[heywood]

Removed - not relevant (I think)