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Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« on: Sunday 11 July 21 15:20 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I am struggling to find an ancestor on the 1851 census in Sheffield. The family are as follows:
- John Hall, born in Lancashire approx 1813
- Lydia Hall (born Kay), born in Sheffield, Yorkshire approx 1811
- Elizabeth Hall, born in Sheffield, Yorkshire approx 1841
- Sarah Ann Hall, born in Sheffield, Yorkshire approx 1844
- Ellen Hall, born in Sheffield, Yorkshire approx 1847
- Emma Kay Hall, born in Sheffield, Yorkshire 1851 (exact DOB is 20 March 1851)

John and Lydia did have other children who died before the 1851 census. I have found the couple and their children in the 1841 census (where there was only Elizabeth), 1861 census and 1871 census but not in the 1851 census despite looking everywhere.

I have reason to believe that they were living on Henry Street (in the Park District in Sheffield, not in Ecclesall). This is because they were living on Henry Street when Sarah Ann was baptised in 1849, and they were still living there in July 1850 when their son, John Henry Kay (aged 1 year and 7 months) died. In August 1853, their daughter, Lydia Kay Hall was born and their address was still on Henry Street, specifically at number 23.

It's not definite that they were on Henry Street, but it's certainly possible. However, I've trawled through all of the residents on Henry Street (although it's actually a very small street), and none of them match.

I have found a household in Sheffield on Silver Street Head in 1851 which has a resident called Emma Hall who is 10 days old. As the 1851 census was taken on 30 March 1851, this would match Emma Kay Hall's DOB exactly. The contents of this census page are hard to read, but for those wanting to look, here are the details:

Registration district Sheffield
Sub district Sheffield West
Enumeration district 6
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2338
Folio 166
Page 28
Schedule 103

If anyone is able to help with finding the family on the 1851 census, I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance :)

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:05 BST (UK) »
 
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The contents of this census page are hard to read, but for those wanting to look, here are the details:

The contents maybe hard to read but were no other members of the family with 10 day old Emma transcribed?
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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:12 BST (UK) »
I've done a bit of investigation re the family for whom you gave the refs.

Emma is possibly the daughter of John and Mary.

HALL, EMMA       COATES 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 752

WATSON, WILLIAM  HENRY WILSON    COATES 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 752

I think Elizabeth and Mary were sisters.

I noticed that Emma has no relationship given to the household.  I wonder if Emma's surname was incorrectly written by the enumerator.

See what you think.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:22 BST (UK) »
I see that Emma was baptised on 6th July 1851, father's occupation given as Labourer.  They were living in Sheffield but there is no address given.

In theory they should be in Sheffield in the 1851 census, but I can't find them there.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:23 BST (UK) »
I've done a bit of investigation re the family for whom you gave the refs.

Emma is possibly the daughter of John and Mary.

HALL, EMMA       COATES 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 752

WATSON, WILLIAM  HENRY WILSON    COATES 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 752

I think Elizabeth and Mary were sisters.

I noticed that Emma has no relationship given to the household.  I wonder if Emma's surname was incorrectly written by the enumerator.

See what you think.

Thanks, it does look like they were sisters then, and this Emma Hall is completely unrelated. What are the chances of there being two Emma Halls born on the same day in Sheffield?!

Milliepede, baby Emma was in a household with John and May Hall, along with other members with the surname Watson and Coates.

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:44 BST (UK) »
I've found a marriage between a John Hall and a Mary Coates.  Took place on 25th December 1850 at Rotherham Minster.

John's occupation is table blade forger.  His father is also John, a cutler.

Her father is Thomas Coates a carpenter.

Haven't found a marriage for the other couple yet.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 July 21 16:58 BST (UK) »
I've now also found a baptism for an Emma Hall on 29th August 1851 at Scarborough St. Mary.  Parents are John and Mary and his occupation is Table blade maker.

This matches the occupation on the marriage certificate of John and Mary and near enough on the 1851 census.  Given as table knife maker.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 July 21 17:10 BST (UK) »
Haven't found a marriage for the other couple yet.
Marriages Mar 1841   
COATS    Elizabeth        York    23   525    
Watson    Christopher Wilson        York    23   525    

There probably a sister to Elizabeth and Mary. Alice aged 20 in the household as a servant, all 3 were born in Scarborough. 
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Hall Family Missing from 1851 Census
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 July 21 17:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that josey, I didn't think of dropping out the 'e'.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire