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My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 05:52 BST (UK) »
1871, Union Street, Worksop

George Chambers Head - Male 74 1797 - Lincolnshire
Sophia Chambers Wife - Female 70 1801 - Lincolnshire
John Chambers Grandson - Male 18 1853 - Yorkshire,
Annie Chambers Granddaughter - Female 11 1860 -
Edward Chambers Grandson - Male 6 1865 - Nottinghamshire, England

1881 Census
13, St Martins Row, Lincoln St Martin, Lincoln

Elizabeth Coldron Head  1828  Barlings,
George Coldron Son Married 1860  Lincoln,
Walter Coldron Son Single 1864  Lincoln,
Edward Chambers Nephew  1864 Labourer  Worksop, Nottinghamshire,

I know that Elizabeth Coldron was born Elizabeth Chambers and is the daughter of George and Sophia from the 1871, based on the two census returns showing Edward born in Worksop it should be easy to work out his parents but I'm really struggling. 

I thought this was his birth ref;
CHAMBERS, EDWARD    mmn WHITLAM 
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in WORKSOP  Volume 07B  Page 24

Dive into the marriage index and there's a marriage that looks good, it's a couple of years earlier and just a few miles away in Retford ;
Marriages Jun 1858   (>99%)
Chambers    Bilby        E Retford    7b   9   
JOW    George        E.Retford    7b   9    
Pettinger    Hannah        E. Retford    7b   9   
Pettinger    Hannah Clarke        E. Retford    7b   9    
Whitlam    Ann        E.Retford    7b   9

It all falls down when following the census as Bilby Chambers married Hannah!
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George and Sophia had several children including 3 sons I've never quite been able to work out;  I can never find them in the census as George and Sophia were in trouble with the law and the last son was born in the house of correction.

John Espin Chambers b1825, Langworth nr Wragby, Lincs
An un-named son in the GRO index; CHAMBERS, - mmn ESPIN GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in LINCOLN UNION
Uriah John Chambers b1841 in the Folkingham House of Correction


Am I missing something really obvious with Edward born in Worksop? Have I mistakenly thought the Edward in 1871 and 1881 are the same person? Was he just not registered or does he belong to one of the mystery sons?

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 July 21 06:22 BST (UK) »
There is an Edward Chambers baptised at St Mary (Priory), Worksop on 19 Feb 1865- son of Uriah John Chambers and Mary.

Uriah John Chambers( full age) marries Mary Whittlesworth (a Minor) at St Philip's, Sheffield on 25 Dec 1863. Uriah is s/o George Chambers, Mary is d/o William Whittlesworth...both bride and groom lived in Hoyle Street.

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 July 21 06:31 BST (UK) »
From GRO Index.
Birth . Uriah John Chambers. Mar Q 1841. The Glanford Brigg Union. Mmn Espin.

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 July 21 06:32 BST (UK) »
I have no idea how I missed that marriage, the number of times I've checked bmd and found squit for Uriah beyond the birth ref.

On the face of it Edward had to be a son of a brother to Elizabeth Coldron and there it is staring me in the face and I couldn't find a simple marriage record.

I think it's time I packed up this family history lark as I'm too blind to see the obvious!!


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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 July 21 06:42 BST (UK) »
Interesting.
In 1841 Uriah is recorded  in The House of Correction, Kirton in Lindsey.
Also present Sophia Cambers, age 35. Born Lincolnshire.

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 July 21 06:44 BST (UK) »
Sometimes it just needs a fresh pair of eyes! I've only recently realised that dates on the very first family tree I was ever given (-in 1979!)do not match up ...on checking it out I found  that one of my  GGGG  grandfathers actually died when he was 2 !!

Now I'm having to work out who the parents of my GGGG grandfather actually were!!

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 July 21 07:06 BST (UK) »
Well I picked up a pile of Chambers births with mmn Whitlam from 1864 to 1874 spread around Sheffield, Rotherham, Louth (Lincs) and Durham.

There's a George in 1868 in Worksop, bapt 18 May 1869 Our Lady and St Cuthbert (Priory), Worksop. Son of Uriah John and Mary.  Uriah noted as a miner, can't think there was a big demand for miners in Louth but there would be in the other places.

So maybe I didn't waste my efforts chasing  Whitlam mmn kids in the bmd after all. 

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 July 21 07:14 BST (UK) »
Interesting.
In 1841 Uriah is recorded  in The House of Correction, Kirton in Lindsey.
Also present Sophia Cambers, age 35. Born Lincolnshire.

Lincolnshire Chronicle - Friday 22 January 1841 page 2

George Fieldsend, aged 43, was indicted for having, on 17th of November last, stolen at lngleby, tame fowls & 14 tame ducks, the property of John Parker. Guilty, 7 years transportation. Sophia Chambers, aged 38, and Ann White, aged 44, severally convicted of having received the same, knowing to be stolen. Guilty. Six calendar months imprisonment hard labour.

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Re: My head is spinning with this one. Who was Edward Chambers b1864?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 July 21 09:14 BST (UK) »
It just gets better, I've found the children, a son born in 1871 married in 1892, the register image is on FindMyPast, he's got an unusual middle name and uses it. In the 1891 census he's with an aunt, (a sister of his father and I hadn't been sure about her marriage), and there's a member of the Coldron family in the household too.
In 1901 his mother in law is in the household, there's a 1911 census & 1939 register for him, death record and probate.

All I need to do is try and find death for dad which I think is 1874 Newcastle (last child born in Durham in 1874).

One marriage record I couldn't find