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Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 20:16 BST (UK) »
I have been searching the St Andrew & Jesmond Cemetery (FamilySearch) today on behalf of someone I know and happened upon a burial for a Daniel McCarthy who was buried there in May 1860.  In the remarks column is the info that he was a soldier found in river.  He is recorded as age 39.
Quite a sad end so I have added him to Find A Grave for any family descendant who might be looking for him. 
I thought I would add a postem too.  However, I see from the GRO/Freebmd that the only Daniel McCarthy age 39 from this period was registered in Whitechapel. 
This seems quite a coincidence to have two people of this name and age dying at this time.
I thought he might have died in Whitechapel and his body brought back to perhaps the family area of Newcastle and I have added this as a postem with a question mark.
Now I think I may have jumped the gun as a free search of the newspapers seems to show that he was found in the Tyne - I haven't seen full article.  (Also his address on burial register is 'Sandgate'.)
Why is he not registered in this area, I wonder?  Surely, it can't have anything to do with being in the river (offland)?  I have a Great x 3 Grandfather who drowned in the Tyne but he was still registered in this area.
I am just puzzled about what is going on here .. I will correct my Freebmd postem if need be.
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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 July 21 20:33 BST (UK) »
is this the article you have found?

Durham County Advertiser  25 May 1860, age 5 col 6

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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 July 21 20:43 BST (UK) »
If he was found in the Tyne, its highly unlikely (if not impossible)his death would be registered in Whitechapel?

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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 July 21 21:18 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Boo.

Yes, Boo that is what I would have thought.  I am puzzled because I can't see a  registration at Newcastle upon Tyne and yet strangely there is one for a Daniel McCarthy age 39 (also 39 in burial register at St Andrew Cemetery, Newcastle) in Whitechapel.  ???
It seems a bit of a coincidence. ???
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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 July 21 21:38 BST (UK) »
To the best of my knowledge deaths were registered in the district they occurred.
Even stretching my imagination to its fullest limits I really cant see that the body of a  man who died in Whitechapel was washed up in the Tyne.

Can't explain why there is no death reg in Newcastle, though errors/ omissions in the indexes did happen, but I do think its one of those random co-incidences of a very common first name/ surname combination with a similar birth year.

A lot more detailed research (military records/ Irish baptisms/ census returns etc) would be needed before I'd connect the two.

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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 July 21 21:46 BST (UK) »
Yes, perhaps I might have jumped the gun here but it is puzzling ..
Same name, age, death quarter.  I have never come acr oss such death coincidence before. 
Oh, well at least I have put question marks on my postems but I agree in retrospect I may have jumped the gun.
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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 July 21 21:49 BST (UK) »
This looks like your Whitechapel man

Burial, 6 May 1860 at London & Tower Hamlets Cemetery
Daniel McCarthy aged 39, abode Frying Pan Alley Spitalfields
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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 July 21 21:55 BST (UK) »
I've landed on this posting because I have a Welsh born Daniel McCarthy living in Newcastle.   Newcastle being a magnet due to the work offered in shipping, railway and coal mining.

So sad to see the demise of this veteran soldier.   RIP
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Re: Daniel McCarthy - death registration 1860 puzzler?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 July 21 22:00 BST (UK) »
Yes, perhaps I might have jumped the gun here but it is puzzling ..
Same name, age, death quarter.  I have never come acr oss such death coincidence before. 
Oh, well at least I have put question marks on my postems but I agree in retrospect I may have jumped the gun.

to put it into context, I just searched Cork (where the newspaper report said he was born) baptisms in 1821 - the approx year of birth for this man, in Cork and got 112 results.

Though not all will have ended up in the army or indeed in England, a fair few may well have. So it is a reasonably common combination of birth year, first name and surname.

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