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Offline David Hutchinson

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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #36 on: Friday 23 July 21 05:11 BST (UK) »
It might be worth checking this death, even if only to rule it out, as location, year and age fit well for your chap:

D/1937/55/1007/69/369   Joseph   Dongan   4th June 1937   51      Male   Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)

If, as is highly possibly, a written 'u' has been indexed as an 'n', and should be Dougan, you can ask GRONI to consider same for correction.


PS:  I have contacted GRONI to have the entry amended.

My wife says that the 'usual' cemetery for a Catholic in the Donegall Gardens area would be Milltown Cemetery.  She says this a big cemetery with no church attached.  Is this one of the cemeteries that would be included in the Belfast City Council burial records?

If not, is there any other source of information regarding burials at Milltown Cemetery?

Many thanks again.

David

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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #37 on: Friday 23 July 21 09:28 BST (UK) »
Wonder news that the correct death has been found  ;D

Most Catholic churches don't keep burial records so that might be a dead end.
Milltown Cemetery was my first guess if he died in Belfast. The Belfast burial site only covers City Cemetery, Dundonald & Roselawn (I had searched there the older day using 'D' as the surname, 'Ava' as the address, etc. with no matches.
There used to be gravestone photos for Milltown online but the link is now broken (don't know if link still there or was completely removed from internet)- see reply #15
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=535464.9
However, using Wayback Machine site I have checked sections 1, 4 & 5 to check for any headstone (not having much luck finding other sections).
I'm not sure of contact details, what you might be able to find out, etc. but someone else here is likely to be able to advise.
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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #38 on: Friday 23 July 21 09:43 BST (UK) »
I believe some Milltown databases are available via Ulster Historical Foundation membership and/or Roots Ireland credits.

In addition, see some further comments and contact details posted by Elwyn on https://irelandxo.com/ireland/antrim/belfast-antrim/message-board/milltown-rc-cemetery-belfast
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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #39 on: Friday 23 July 21 09:44 BST (UK) »
I believe some Milltown databases are available via Ulster Historical Foundation membership and/or Roots Ireland credits.

Both only seem to go up to 1895  :(
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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 24 July 21 07:43 BST (UK) »
Wonder news that the correct death has been found  ;D

Most Catholic churches don't keep burial records so that might be a dead end.
Milltown Cemetery was my first guess if he died in Belfast. The Belfast burial site only covers City Cemetery, Dundonald & Roselawn (I had searched there the older day using 'D' as the surname, 'Ava' as the address, etc. with no matches.
There used to be gravestone photos for Milltown online but the link is now broken (don't know if link still there or was completely removed from internet)- see reply #15
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=535464.9
However, using Wayback Machine site I have checked sections 1, 4 & 5 to check for any headstone (not having much luck finding other sections).
I'm not sure of contact details, what you might be able to find out, etc. but someone else here is likely to be able to advise.

That's a bit of bad news re the Catholic Churches not keeping death records.  That was my only real hope of finding him.

I haven't heard of the Wayback Machine.  I will check it out as well as your other link.

I may have to try and convince one of my wife's Irish Relatives top contact Milltown Cemetery to see if they have any records.  At least we now have a date of death, thanks to you guys/girls.,

Thanks again.



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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 24 July 21 07:44 BST (UK) »
I believe some Milltown databases are available via Ulster Historical Foundation membership and/or Roots Ireland credits.

In addition, see some further comments and contact details posted by Elwyn on https://irelandxo.com/ireland/antrim/belfast-antrim/message-board/milltown-rc-cemetery-belfast

Thanks again Scotmum.  I shall certainly check them out.

He must be buried somewhere!


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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 24 July 21 07:47 BST (UK) »
I believe some Milltown databases are available via Ulster Historical Foundation membership and/or Roots Ireland credits.

Both only seem to go up to 1895  :(

Just checked my old messages and see that I have already been in contact with the Ulster Historical Foundation (Kevin Keenan).  No joy there but he has also made some suggestions.

Unfortunately, he was still working on the 1941 Joseph Dougan.  I shall get back to him with the 1937 death record to see if that makes a difference but, in all honesty, the records are fairly similar.

David


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Re: Joseph DOUGAN, born March 1886, Belfast
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 24 July 21 08:16 BST (UK) »
I believe some Milltown databases are available via Ulster Historical Foundation membership and/or Roots Ireland credits.

Both only seem to go up to 1895  :(
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!