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Joseph Hall
« on: Monday 19 July 21 14:45 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to verify the parent's of Joseph Hall (c. 1826-1878) of Corsenside, Northumberland but I am getting conflicting information. Joseph married Mary Ann Waitt on July 26th 1851, residence at the time of marriage was Wark and his father's name is listed as 'Gilbert Hall' (Farmer). Witnesses were Arthur Storey and Jane Waitt.

I cannot find any information on 'Gilbert Hall'. However, Ancestry points me in the direction of a 'Gabriel Hall' (b. 1788) and interestingly enough Joseph had a child named Gabriel (b. 1854).. Though I can find no evidence to link Gabriel and Joseph, other than proximity.

Does anyone have access to parish registers for the region or have any more information that they are willing to share?

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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 July 21 14:52 BST (UK) »
Joseph Hall
Baptism  16 Apr 1826
Parish Corsenside
Residence Stiddle Hill
Father Gabriel occ Farmer
Mother  Margaret
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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 July 21 15:04 BST (UK) »
There  are these records

1841 829/8/11

Joseph Hall 15 yrs is a servant in Troughend, Elsdon
1841 829/4/2

Gabriel Hall, wife Margaret and Margaret 10 yrs  in Monkridge, Elsdon
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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 July 21 15:17 BST (UK) »
1851 2417 /1

Joseph Hall, 22 yrs b Elsdon is a servant in the household of Arthur Storey in Wark.
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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 July 21 00:01 BST (UK) »
Joseph Hall
Baptism  16 Apr 1826
Parish Corsenside
Residence Stiddle Hill
Father Gabriel occ Farmer
Mother  Margaret

Hi Rosie

How did you find this information? and do you think it's safe to discredit 'Gilbert Hall' from the marriage certificate, given there is no information on him? Joseph's birthplace is listed as Corsenside in the 1861 and 1871 census. In 1851 it is listed as Elsdon. I'd been leaning towards Gabriel for a long time but didn't have any connection until now.

Zak

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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 July 21 00:15 BST (UK) »
There  are these records

1841 829/8/11

Joseph Hall 15 yrs is a servant in Troughend, Elsdon
1841 829/4/2

Gabriel Hall, wife Margaret and Margaret 10 yrs  in Monkridge, Elsdon

Thank you - I didn't have his 1841 census location. I had hoped that he was still living with his parents at this time but I guess not. Back to the proximity argument where there's no evidence (or was before Rosie's post) linking Joseph and Gabriel.

1851 2417 /1

Joseph Hall, 22 yrs b Elsdon is a servant in the household of Arthur Storey in Wark.

This pretty much confirms that this is the same Joseph that married Mary Ann as Arthur Storey was a witness at their wedding. It could also explain how he met Mary Ann, as her mother's maiden name was Storey.

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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 July 21 00:48 BST (UK) »
Marriage
Corsenside, St Cuthbert
1 Jan 1826
Gabriel HALL (groom); Bachelor of Elsdon – abode Earhaugh
Margaret ORD (bride); spinster – abode Stiddlehill
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 July 21 01:08 BST (UK) »
Possible birth for Gabriel HALL
Born 22 Oct 1793
Baptised 24 Aug 1794, Elsdon St Cuthbert
Parents: Joseph HALL and Eleanor, abode: Raylees

A brother (twin) named James HALL born and baptised on the same dates
A brother named Alexander baptised 22 Sept 1795, Elsdon St Cuthbert
A sister named Hannah baptised 27 Aug 1797, Elsdon St Cuthbert
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Joseph Hall
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 July 21 12:15 BST (UK) »

Hi Rosie

How did you find this information? and do you think it's safe to discredit 'Gilbert Hall' from the marriage certificate, given there is no information on him? Joseph's birthplace is listed as Corsenside in the 1861 and 1871 census. In 1851 it is listed as Elsdon. I'd been leaning towards Gabriel for a long time but didn't have any connection until now.

Zak
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The 1826 baptism is on F M P from transcripts by Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

I would not think it was unreasonable for the marriage to have his father named wrongly as Gilbert.
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