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help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« on: Friday 23 July 21 21:38 BST (UK) »
Please can anyone help?
On f*p, Francis Isles is listed in:
Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835 - 1857 > Series BT 114 (Register of Seamen's Tickets, 1845 - 1854)  (NB This is an Index):
No.of Register Ticket
57.982                             Isles Francis   Snaith
Because I have his No.of Register Ticket, I thought that I should be able to see his actual Seaman's Ticket in BT 113/29, (the subset 29 is for Ticket Numbers from 56001 - 58000), but, his name does not come up in the "search results", so I could not find this record. So, I tried to manually find it by searching through BT 113/29, but couldn't seem to do this -  I only have limited access to f*p, (when I go t the local archives), and I ran out of time, so I'd be very grateful if anyone could help me.
Many thanks,
Kit


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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 July 21 22:04 BST (UK) »
Are you able to log in to FindMyPast using your regular library card?  Many libraries worldwide are still offering this as an online service at present (or so I understand)


Added…but I’ve just looked, and cannot see any more on the document than you can see on the index.

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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 July 21 22:13 BST (UK) »
National archives says

“ Description:   
Numerical registers, kept by the General Registry and Record Office of Seamen, of the tickets required by all British merchant seamen before sailing.
On the ticket were recorded the seaman's name, date and place of birth, date and capacity of first going to sea and capacity since, the ships he had served in the Royal Navy, if any, and his capacity, his current employment at sea, and home address. The registers in this series and in BT 114 are far from complete and many numbers in BT 113 have no names or details marked up.
Electronic images of these records can be searched online through our partner website.”  <<<. (FindMyPast)

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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 July 21 23:03 BST (UK) »

Because I have his No.of Register Ticket, I thought that I should be able to see his actual Seaman's Ticket in BT 113/29, (the subset 29 is for Ticket Numbers from 56001 - 58000), but, his name does not come up in the "search results", so I could not find this record. So, I tried to manually find it by searching through BT 113/29, but couldn't seem to do this.


There doesn't seem to be any way to search BT 113/29 as you would a microfilm.
But you can just search the index for BT 113.
He is there - lovingly transcribed as 'Francis Joles', born at 'Smith'!
(I just searched for ' Francis', no surname, born Yorkshire.)

Lots of lovely description of him.
Born 19th March 1815 at Snaith.
Height 5 feet 5 in. Hair brown, eyes brown, Complextion ruddy.
First went to sea as a cabin boy in 1824.
Age when ticketed 30.
Can  write? No.



Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 July 21 21:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much mckha489 and goldie61 for your very kind help and replies.
Unfortunately I know that I cannot access f*p through my library ticket - I have already looked into this, but it was very kind of you to bring this to my attention.
I'm delighted and very grateful that you have, very cleverly, I think, found his Seaman's Ticket - I was up against the clock when I was last in the Archives, and failed.
Please can you confirm that if I go to f*p >Education & Work and enter:
Francis Joles b 1815
then the search result for 1845 in the Record Set "Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835 - 1857", will be his actual Seaman's Ticket? (The wonderful data that you kindly supplied on him, I think has come from this).
Thank you very much for your kind help,
Kit

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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 July 21 23:20 BST (UK) »
You don't even need to go to 'Education and work'.
Just put 'Francis Joles' and 1815 for his birth on the first search page, and his will be the first record that shows up - only 6 records come up, and there's only this 1 for a Francis Joles.
If you get stuck let me know.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 July 21 17:56 BST (UK) »
Hi goldie61,
Thank you so much again for your tremendous help, (and patience!). You've been really brilliant. I'm looking forward to actually seeing this record, next time I go to the Archives - all thanks to you.
Kind regards,
Kit

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Re: help please Francis Isles Register of Seaman's Ticket
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 July 21 22:32 BST (UK) »
Happy to help  :)

I knew these tickets were viewable because I had looked at some of them some time ago for some research I was doing.
You'll know by now that transcriptions on any genealogy site are unreliable, so you have to try and bypass them!
Good luck
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs