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London Neighbourhoods
« on: Saturday 24 July 21 15:56 BST (UK) »
I'm working on a family named Ward - there are scads of them everywhere. But I'm wondering about various neighborhoods in London and whether some places might have been more middle class and others poorer. For example Marylebone - was it likely to have poor residents among the wealthier in the 18th century? Would chimney sweeps have been likely to live there for example? I'm finding quite a lot in the east end - Stepney, Bethnal  Green, etc - where occupations seem to revolve around weaving and cloth manufacturing - working class etc. But were certain areas less likely to have poor or working class residents?

I'd be grateful for guidance, though I realise this is all subjective and variable anyway..

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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 July 21 16:22 BST (UK) »
Why not trawl the relevant census where you can see the occupations for yourself
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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:05 BST (UK) »
My ancestors were in Marylebone for at least the first half of the nineteenth century and were not wealthy. Servants, porters, and so on. My 5xgreat-grandmother was Elizabeth Ward, born approx 1784, married George Perfett in Marylebone in 1816, died in Marylebone in 1856.

I haven't been able to find any trace of either of them prior to their marriage. Too many Wards to be certain which family is mine. Have worked on a theory that George was from Portsmouth, but haven't been able to prove or disprove conclusively. Any connection with your Wards?
BARTRAM - Nottingham, Derby, originally Beds (Stagsden)
PERFETT - St Pancras & Marylebone, Rugby, Nottingham
RADFORD - Nottinghamshire, also back & forth to Bury
RUDD - Durham, Margate, Bermondsey, Newcastle, Nottingham

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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:05 BST (UK) »
Why not trawl the relevant census where you can see the occupations for yourself

These are all pre-census people as far as I know the first census was in 1841. Was there one in the 18th c?


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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:14 BST (UK) »
There were censuses before 1841. No all are extant. The Marylebone ones for 1821 & 1831 still exist but only show address and head of household. I think transcriptions can be viewed on ancestry  findmypast.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:24 BST (UK) »
My ancestors were in Marylebone for at least the first half of the nineteenth century and were not wealthy. Servants, porters, and so on. My 5xgreat-grandmother was Elizabeth Ward, born approx 1784, married George Perfett in Marylebone in 1816, died in Marylebone in 1856.

I haven't been able to find any trace of either of them prior to their marriage. Too many Wards to be certain which family is mine. Have worked on a theory that George was from Portsmouth, but haven't been able to prove or disprove conclusively. Any connection with your Wards?
I don't think there is a connection. I'm working on William Ward a rather well known convict who was transported to New South Wales in 1817. Most trees suggest he was the son of a William Ward (1775-1826) and Anne Hennell (1769-1850) who lived in Marylebone, but the Hennell family was a well known family of silversmiths and I am very dubious that a son from this couple would be a chimney sweep arrested for common theft. It's not impossible, but I am suspicious. My convict gr gr grandfather was born ca 1797 and there are about half a dozen in London at that date and I've narrowed it down to one other than the Marylebone fellow.

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm grateful for any guidance!

As you say there are any of them.

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Re: London Neighbourhoods
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:34 BST (UK) »
Why not trawl the relevant census where you can see the occupations for yourself

These are all pre-census people as far as I know the first census was in 1841. Was there one in the 18th c?

I doubt that the social structure would change much during that time
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